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good evening folks welcome to arcane

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radio as always i'm sean forker

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uh sitting in a remote location

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where parts in parts unknown mr lon

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strickler lon how are we doing tonight

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yeah i am kind of lost oh i'm doing fine

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yeah we're you know we're getting ready

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to uh

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uh have a great interview tonight and uh

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you know get this show rolling and uh

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you know our we've been oh we've had a

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great response this week

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really yeah gosh the outpouring from the

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listeners has been phenomenal we

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appreciate you all tuning in so far

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uh to and those of you that have sent us

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feedback we thank you very much in fact

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today lon on our facebook page

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i put a note up folks if you have

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feedback for our shows please email us

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the lot and i

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so he and i can start making

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improvements to the show to make it a

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better listening experience for you

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the listener oh absolutely yeah

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this you know we're not going to

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uh unless you're happy about it so um

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you know if you have anything even if

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you have questions for the uh

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the guests and all uh just let us know

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and we'll do what we can

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that's right uh we're a little organized

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here at

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arcane radio got a lot of different

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avenues of way to contact us but we want

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to make sure

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that you have the best ways to get a

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hold of us because one of us is always

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available

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checking the emails they go to us i get

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them everywhere on my phone my ipad

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my laptops anywhere i'm at i get it

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well you and i connected most of the day

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anyway so you know you know

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you get something i get some one of us

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is going to find both of us going to

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find out about it eventually so

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uh that's right we got a lot of talk

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about this week though yeah we really

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how about joan rivers passing away long

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we talked about that but it's a shame

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it really is a shame you know uh you

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know she's had her detractors over the

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years but

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you know i saw a real weird picture yeah

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idea of her and robin williams and i

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thought oh my god isn't that something

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yeah it was so bizarre to see that two

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comedy icons just kind of

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passing into the unknown it was really

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sad yeah

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but uh you know i it's been a good week

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over fans of monsters i have

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i have had some very good response

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people sending things

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in as well i i found an easter egg

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i found an old file from night from

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2004.

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and uh there were a bunch of stories in

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there i had

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from some interviews i had done down in

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when i was down there that that spring

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when that fall i'm sorry

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and uh no down there spring because i

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went down to spring training

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and uh we were um you know in that

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and some other things i had gotten from

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other people so

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you know it's i'll put some of them in

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the uh on the

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on the blog i might put some of them in

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the next book or

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you know whatever i do and uh so there's

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some new material coming

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yeah and i'm excited to read it i tune

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in

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monsters every day

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to get my daily dose of the paranormal

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because it's on there you keep up with

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you know i've been i have been getting a

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lot of uh

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response from people that don't wouldn't

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normally have called me and it's because

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i think it's because of the ship because

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there have been a lot of people

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listening to the show this week

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uh and of course it was just the preview

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show but i think people liked what they

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and uh they you know they were

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contacting me

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had a lot of people sign up as friends

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i think i picked up about 60 people so

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uh it's been with me on that i i've

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picked up quite a few myself

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yeah it's been it's been good so uh you

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want and we'll do what we can

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most definitely our echoes long

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sentiment on that uh

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interesting story that was an addition

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it was in addition to last week our

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preview show long was

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the ufos near harrisburg

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a police officer also observed it

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yeah it's kind of wild i uh you had sent

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me that video the other day

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and uh it was kind of like a follow-up

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they don't know what they saw and but

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you know the police officers

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acknowledged it which is very rare

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unless you know a police officer had

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well and i put a story about a

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police officer by the name of george

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wheeler had a personal experience

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many years ago but unless it's something

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like that an actual close encounter

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you very rarely hear police officers or

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public officials mentioning ufos

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uh it is it's very rare career suicide

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a lot that's what they say that's what

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they say

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and uh that very well may be i think

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people in the service

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had the same stigma as well so yeah that

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very unusual it was and and the fact

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like you said somebody in a professional

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capacity came forth

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and said that they have also observed

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this it gives a little bit of validation

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to that poor lady who was scared out of

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her mind

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with what she saw adds

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a little bit more complexity to the case

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but another interesting story you posted

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this week on phantoms and monsters i

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read it last night

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i should say this morning about 2 am

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because i don't sleep anymore

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the boy in the mangrove yeah yeah that

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was a hell of a story

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that was a story i actually had um i had

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written from memory

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from an interview i did um again like i

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said it was in the spring of 2004

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and i spent some time traveling through

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florida

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you know and you know it's interesting

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how many stories you can hear from

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people by simply asking about their part

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of the state they want to tell you

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everything they can tell you

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you know first of all you got to get

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their trust but you know

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if you tell them you know you just want

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to hear about you know weird stories or

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something that happened

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or happened to them or happened to

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someone they know

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they don't uh they don't mind talking to

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you i have found that for the most part

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excuse me and um so

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one of these tales was told me by a

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young woman her name was jackie she had

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a uh

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a vegetable stand near clewiston florida

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which is central florida i guess i don't

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know

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it's south of orlando but anyway we sat

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and talked

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under a canvas camp canopy because it

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an afternoon thunderstorm and people

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that lived down in florida have been now

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florida know some of this afternoon

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thunderstorms just unbelievable it's

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deluges so you know there's not much you

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can really do but stay

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stay dry so um you know when she was

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taught telling me the story i was trying

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to make as many mental notes as possible

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and then transformed my thoughts to my

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laptop later on

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so you know i i uncovered this this

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particular narrative in an older file

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which uh was located in the deep

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recesses of my uh

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hard drive so the the story begins on uh

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yeah she just and this is the way she

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told me the story begins one of those

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days when you're genuinely bored

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uh then someone comes along tells you

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they're doing something that you enjoy

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that day but later on the playing kind

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of goes in a different direction

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so jackie was telling me that when she

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holiday break from school and one

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she said she was lying in bed watching

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she said my mother walked in and said

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that we were going to go canoeing

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with my aunt cousin and uh coming along

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we're also going to be coming along with

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when we got there there was hardly

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anyone there and it was very breezy and

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colder than usual

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it um it took my aunt and cousin almost

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30 minutes to arrive so

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but when they got there we grabbed two

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canoes from one of the rental places

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my aunt cousin and i got in one canoe um

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and my dad pushed us off then my mom dad

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and sister

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were behind once we were on the water we

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started paddling so

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we had been in the water i guess about

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an hour enjoying the scenery

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and the time together when i spotted

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something moving in the water

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now i looked down into the water and saw

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a human figure

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swimming beneath us now the water was

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extremely shallow and the figure moved

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in and out of the mangroves and the

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weeds effortlessly and

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i looked closely and noticed that it was

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a young boy in his early teens with

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long blonde hair i gasped in shock and

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fear as my family heard me

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and showed concern the boy looked at me

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dark piercing red eyes i sensed evil as

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well as sadness

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upon seeing him the boy turned his head

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and swam away into deeper water

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once i realized what had just happened i

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and i noticed that my family was around

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me they were

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asking what's wrong are you okay and i

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just nod them ahead yeah i'm just i'm

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when i gathered my senses i thought that

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maybe i saw something else in the water

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nothing i replied

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my mom said okay and then we all

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continued on our sightseeing

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but only a few minutes had passed when

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something else occurred

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i was looking all around enjoying the

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scenery when i saw the boy again

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now this time i focused my eyes through

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a thick layer

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of mangrove trees and saw the boys

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staring back at me with a scowling angry

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face uh this time he had

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large black bright red eyes glaring back

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at me

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i immediately got the feeling that

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we had passed through his territory and

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that we needed to get out of there as

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soon as possible

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we had entered an open area of the river

294
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but i was still focused on the boy in

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the mangrove the wind started to pick up

296
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quickly

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and the temperature started to drop now

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my cousin was standing

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in the canoe taking a video of the area

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with her video camera

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uh my aunt was holding onto her legs

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from behind

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and as i continued staring at the boy

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the wind got worse

305
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the boots tips lately and my cousin lost

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their bounds

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and fell into the water i quickly looked

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away from the boy as i watched my cousin

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tumble into the water

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i stood i stood and reached out my arm

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to my cousin then i remembered

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his e and his evil expression

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i looked back at the mangrove where i

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had seen him before he wasn't there

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i panicked i needed to reach my cousin

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as soon as possible and pull her back

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into the boat

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the boy was gone and i feared he would

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do harm to my cousin she was desperately

320
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trying to grab mine in my aunt's

321
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hands to get back on the boat i was

322
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screaming loudly get out get out

323
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she finally reached my hand and i

324
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quickly pulled her back in the boat and

325
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she was fine

326
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but i was shaking and more upset than

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her

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after a few minutes i told everyone that

329
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i wanted to go back

330
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i was worried for the remainder of our

331
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time on the water

332
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when we finally get back to the door i

333
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just happened to spot the boy again

334
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as he raised up in the little hanging

335
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mangrove

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he gave me a hideous wink and roll his

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eyes back

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as he faded away it made me shudder and

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horror

340
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then suddenly i heard ouch my back hurts

341
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my cousin was in pain and yelled out

342
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just after the boy faded away

343
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i looked at her shirt and to everyone's

344
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shocker her entire back was a huge black

345
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and blue bruise

346
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everywhere you looked on her back she

347
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had dark marks

348
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i don't even remember getting hurt she

349
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said well i told her i said you you must

350
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hit a stump under the water or something

351
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but i knew full well the boy had

352
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something to do with it

353
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my aunt was emotionally beside herself

354
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and insist that we go

355
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to the hospital so my cousin could be

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treated

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several years later i returned to the

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canoe rail place it was now a bait and

359
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tackle store with docks

360
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i asked some of the men working on a

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boat motor about the history of the

362
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place after telling them

363
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of my previous experience there they

364
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told me that many years ago

365
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a boy in his teens was playing around

366
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with his friends

367
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in the same area with my family i had

368
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been canoeing

369
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one of his friends placed a bet with him

370
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to see if he could hold his breath the

371
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longest

372
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or see who could hold their breath the

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longest the boy was a

374
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from a poor family and won the money

375
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desperately

376
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after they competed the friend noticed

377
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that his partner was floating face down

378
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when he touched him to tell him he won

379
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there was no reaction

380
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he quickly pulled him out of the water

381
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then went to get help the poor boy

382
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had warned the money so badly that he

383
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drowned in an attempt to hold his breath

384
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longer than

385
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than his friend when his parents learned

386
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that her son's death

387
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they were so distraught that both

388
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committed suicide before the boy was

389
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buried

390
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no one knows what happened to the body

391
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the boy's body weird i walked toward one

392
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of the docks and looked out over the

393
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thick mangroves and there he was

394
00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:48,639
i clearly saw him standing there with

395
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his long blonde hair

396
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looking at me with sorrow on his face

397
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but this time

398
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he had light blue eyes i smiled at him

399
00:14:00,790 --> 00:13:57,600
and

400
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then waved i turned to walk away quickly

401
00:14:04,629 --> 00:14:02,880
glancing back in this direction

402
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:04,639
the boy was gone but i knew he'd be

403
00:14:09,189 --> 00:14:07,120
there forever

404
00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:09,199
uh that was a good story that was kind

405
00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:10,720
of a freaky story too when i

406
00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:12,480
you know i i remember getting goosebumps

407
00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:14,240
and she was telling me

408
00:14:19,189 --> 00:14:17,120
uh yeah i read it early this morning so

409
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:19,199
it was really uh

410
00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:22,240
really kind of chilling yeah that's

411
00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:23,920
the first time i've heard of of

412
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:26,560
situations like that

413
00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:30,160
well you know you know

414
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:33,199
a discord spirit for the most part

415
00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:35,839
you know especially with the death a

416
00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:37,680
sudden death

417
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:41,120
uh the energy stays around and for the

418
00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:42,959
most part when somebody dies

419
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:47,120
the energy does stay on you know stay

420
00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:49,920
in a specific specific area on our plane

421
00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:51,519
it does that i mean you know

422
00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,760
but very rarely doesn't show up as you

423
00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:55,920
know manifest itself into

424
00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:58,800
into an apparition now for a lengthy

425
00:15:02,069 --> 00:14:59,920
period of time

426
00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:02,079
yeah and for the fact and the fact that

427
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:03,680
she saw this thing underwater and

428
00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:06,000
outside the water

429
00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:09,680
just tends to make me think that this

430
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:13,120
may have been something else uh

431
00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:15,440
this may have it was definitely spirit

432
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:17,120
involved

433
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,880
but there may have been something else

434
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:20,240
with it and you know

435
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:23,680
occasionally you will get these type of

436
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:25,519
these incidents where you know people

437
00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:28,399
see these um

438
00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:31,040
see a manifestation like this in or out

439
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:31,519
in

440
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,040
than

441
00:15:38,829 --> 00:15:36,959
just you know where the person had

442
00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:38,839
passed away at

443
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,680
uh it's it's it's just it's it's a

444
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:43,440
strange story it really is

445
00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:46,240
i i i had all completely forgotten about

446
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:47,839
i was glad i found it

447
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:51,360
but um i do remember now when she

448
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:53,199
when she told it to me it kind of

449
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:54,800
freaked me out it was a good read

450
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:57,839
it really was a exceptional story

451
00:16:01,990 --> 00:15:59,839
and i think the folks that read phantoms

452
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,000
and monsters and listen to arcane radio

453
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:04,160
appreciate those kind of stories and it

454
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:05,040
is a mystery

455
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:06,560
and who knows maybe somebody listening

456
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:08,240
to this we'll have a little bit more

457
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:09,519
information to add to it

458
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:12,240
yeah oh absolutely you know this may be

459
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,040
you know and that

460
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:15,839
and that's what i'd like to know if uh

461
00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:16,480
you know i

462
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:18,880
now she didn't give me a com an actual

463
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:21,759
location she told me all she told me was

464
00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:25,759
it was uh some place to the

465
00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:28,880
to the west of where lewiston was in

466
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,199
uh one of the rivers so i'm thinking

467
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:33,360
maybe around the uh

468
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,399
the tampa uh

469
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:38,399
st petersburg area maybe one of those

470
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:39,519
rivers

471
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,519
one of those uh

472
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:45,519
you know mangrove rivers rivers got a

473
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:47,519
lot of mangroves in them

474
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:50,000
so uh you know maybe you know somebody

475
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:51,440
knows something that definitely that i

476
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:54,240
wish would go away

477
00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:57,600
is the mk davis bluff creek massacre

478
00:17:02,790 --> 00:16:58,800
theory lon

479
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:02,800
uh this this came out i want to say

480
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:06,880
lord i can remember it was 2009 perhaps

481
00:17:13,710 --> 00:17:11,839
yeah that sounds about right um

482
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:13,720
yeah that does sound about right

483
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:14,959
2009-2010

484
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:17,120
it first popped up at the ohio bigfoot

485
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,959
conference

486
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:20,640
and the issue i have with it you know mk

487
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,799
davis is a nice guy i've talked with mk

488
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,319
davis on several occasions i've

489
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:26,000
interviewed mk davis

490
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:28,160
on several occasions specifically about

491
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:30,880
the the massacre

492
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,280
quote unquote whoever coined it to be

493
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,880
the massacre that's what it is known as

494
00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:36,000
now so that's what we're going to call

495
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:36,320
it

496
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,919
gets a lot of bigfooters up in arms

497
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:39,440
because it does attack the characters of

498
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:41,679
roger patterson and bob gimlin

499
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:43,520
another gentleman involved where they

500
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,640
slaughtered a bigfoot family and

501
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,880
buried the remains and that's that and

502
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,000
that's the story

503
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:52,480
and apparently these things are evident

504
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,039
by color correction and

505
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:57,679
manipulation regardless of what folks

506
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,559
say when you

507
00:18:01,590 --> 00:18:00,400
add color or take away color whatever

508
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:01,600
you're doing to that photo you are

509
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,039
manipulating it

510
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,520
to get the details out of it from which

511
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:06,480
you want

512
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:08,080
i think that's the situation of what it

513
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,760
is when you spend so much time working

514
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,880
on something

515
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,039
and playing around with it you know as

516
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:14,799
well as i do you see what you want to

517
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:15,520
see

518
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,240
in this in in the final result

519
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:22,320
it's getting a lot of people upset i

520
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,760
thought we nailed this in the butt years

521
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:25,679
ago but here it comes again

522
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:28,240
all over facebook mk's pushing out uh

523
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:29,600
new sources and

524
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,039
todd prescott is championing uh

525
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:35,600
or you know for bob gimlin you know i

526
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,559
understand both sides of the coin i know

527
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:40,240
you know mk spent a lot of time working

528
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:41,360
on this and these are the things that

529
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:42,480
he's seen

530
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:45,440
and that he's getting from the films i

531
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,120
understand everybody else's

532
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,039
thoughts that you know it's not right

533
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,280
it's baloney science if it is science

534
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:52,640
your facts are wrong and some of the

535
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,039
facts are indeed in dispute

536
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:57,440
it's just got to go away man the film's

537
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,520
40 years old

538
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,280
there's not much more we can get out of

539
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,520
it it's never going to change people's

540
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,720
minds

541
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:06,080
one way or the other that's a real

542
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,880
bigfoot or not it's just time to move on

543
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:10,240
to something

544
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,840
more practical and that's getting

545
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:13,520
ourselves educated to collect better

546
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,039
evidence today

547
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:17,120
but man lon the story just won't

548
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:18,320
disappear

549
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:21,200
well the fact that he came out when he

550
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:21,760
did come

551
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,559
out and were you there when at the

552
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:26,160
conference when he announced that

553
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:29,440
i wasn't i wasn't there okay

554
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,360
um you know

555
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:35,760
i guess his premise and correct me if

556
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:36,559
i'm wrong

557
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:40,080
but i think the premise was that gimlin

558
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:43,600
and patterson had killed either a family

559
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:44,559
of

560
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:47,679
bigfoot and that patty

561
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,120
had come to bury them

562
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:53,280
is it is something to that effect and

563
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,039
they call her on film

564
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,799
my memory is a little shady on this only

565
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,960
because it's been years it's been about

566
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,559
four years or more since we've actually

567
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,520
sat down

568
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,039
looked at it and talked about it and i

569
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:05,120
never gave too much of it

570
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,559
you know some serious thoughts so i

571
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,559
don't remember the practical details of

572
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,679
it

573
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,760
patty possibly being the one coming to

574
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:12,720
bury that

575
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:15,039
the sasquatches that were killed by

576
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:16,720
patterson gimlin

577
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,159
and maybe others and uh that

578
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,039
the wound or the you know what they call

579
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:25,120
the blowout on paddy's leg is actually a

580
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,720
bullet wound

581
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:29,520
uh this that and the other it's just

582
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,000
it's

583
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,880
really stretching well you know if she's

584
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:35,360
has sustained that kind of injury

585
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:38,080
she'd be limping as far as i'm concerned

586
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:39,520
or she should be favoring

587
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:43,120
the the wound uh it doesn't look like

588
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,240
that

589
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:46,840
i don't think so no i don't think so

590
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:53,029
yeah you know you told me that i i quite

591
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:54,240
frankly i hadn't even

592
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,679
heard you know i don't really

593
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,919
keep up with the uh the hub bubble and

594
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,720
bigfoot

595
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:02,799
you know on the social network as much

596
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,440
as probably you or other people do but

597
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,760
when you told me that this controversy

598
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,200
came back up again

599
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,880
i was just shaking my head i was telling

600
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:12,880
my you know you know this was

601
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,400
uh and i mean

602
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:18,159
you know i remember when i remember when

603
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,840
he announced it up there the ohio

604
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,280
bigfoot conference

605
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,200
and the reactions that were they were

606
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,039
getting online it was like

607
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,640
i didn't know what happened up there it

608
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,000
was i know i thought they might have had

609
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,320
a ride because i know people were upset

610
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,480
oh yes a lot of people were upset by it

611
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,520
and they still are

612
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:35,039
in fact when i was doing sasquatch

613
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:36,559
experience and

614
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:39,760
i want to say 08 or 2010 and again bear

615
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,039
with me because it's been a while

616
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,440
we had mk on the talk about it and it

617
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,960
didn't go very far and

618
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,799
we never did get anything resolved from

619
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,720
it but yeah

620
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,960
again you know when someone reaches into

621
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,000
the work

622
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,159
manipulates it you can pull pretty much

623
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,080
anything out of it that you want and i'm

624
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,840
not saying that's the case i'm just

625
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:01,200
saying it's probably

626
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,440
what's going on yeah i don't know

627
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:07,120
i don't know either i don't know i don't

628
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,480
know why he brought it back but of

629
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,000
course he's trying to make his point

630
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,679
and uh you know he's been doing a uh

631
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,520
um he's been working on a lot of

632
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:16,799
different videos

633
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:20,080
that people shot trying to explain this

634
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,600
and explain i've been doing that for

635
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:24,080
years now but the fact that he's coming

636
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,440
back on this i

637
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,840
i don't understand it my thing with mk

638
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,559
is that

639
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,520
he's romantic to the point that he

640
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:32,640
reaches

641
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,360
and makes assumptions that just i i

642
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,039
would consider them to be just

643
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,120
dangerous assumptions yeah with the

644
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,039
evidence that's provided

645
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:44,159
by the source material again when you

646
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:44,720
edit

647
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,080
manipulate filter or change the color

648
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:50,559
you can you can get pretty much anything

649
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,200
you want

650
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,200
out of the photo if you're looking at it

651
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,559
hard enough yeah

652
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:57,120
yeah very similar to evps with me i'm

653
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,080
not a big evp

654
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:00,000
guy in fact when we do them on the show

655
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,600
you know when we did them on beyond the

656
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,640
edge it's one of my least favorite

657
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,919
things to do

658
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:06,000
especially if we didn't do them right i

659
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,840
always hate telling somebody that this

660
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,280
is the evp and this is what you're going

661
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,679
to hear as opposed to playing the evp

662
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,120
and then letting somebody decide what

663
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:14,640
they're going to hear you supplant that

664
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,440
suggestion

665
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,960
even when we're looking at the files and

666
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,799
they come to us named

667
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,640
it's a planet in our heads so even we

668
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,320
lose that objectivity when you tell

669
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,240
somebody that's what you're looking at

670
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,440
nine times out of ten that's what

671
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:27,440
they're going to see or here

672
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,480
you know i i have put ebps up

673
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,840
on the blog before uh audio files on the

674
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,960
blog

675
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,039
and people get but you know on the other

676
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,480
side of the coin people get mad and

677
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,240
would get mad at me

678
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,159
for not making suggestion what they were

679
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,440
hearing mm-hmm and

680
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:46,320
that's not our place i guess really it's

681
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,960
you know

682
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,720
like anything else you put out there for

683
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,400
listener or viewers

684
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,159
personal discretion it's what you want

685
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:54,159
it to be we're not going to change that

686
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,120
you and i

687
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,960
could hear nothing in that evp and if

688
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,400
somebody hears toaster

689
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,600
that's what they're going to hear you

690
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,799
know what i mean it's going to be

691
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,440
toaster

692
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,960
nothing that we say is going to change

693
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,640
that so why start the argument

694
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,240
but it's that way with photographic and

695
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,480
video evidence if you can circle it

696
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,720
put a red circle around it you know

697
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,760
filter it out

698
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,760
you know do whatever you need to do to

699
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,200
pull what you want out of that image

700
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,480
it's going to be there

701
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,799
that power suggestion is very very

702
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:19,760
powerful

703
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,400
lon today would have been lloyd pie's

704
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,840
68th birthday

705
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:28,159
oh yeah i know i missed lloyd he was a

706
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:28,880
good guy

707
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,320
i um i talked to a personal friend of

708
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,240
his just the other day

709
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,279
uh from somebody who lives in missouri

710
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,840
and she was telling me you know we were

711
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,600
reminiscing about lloyd because

712
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,840
lloyd and i used to talk occasionally

713
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,600
i've promoted books

714
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:47,279
and such on the blog and then we would

715
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,799
talk about a few things

716
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,559
but i loved getting when he was on the

717
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,000
show oh you know

718
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:54,159
he was just he was just full of

719
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:55,360
information

720
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:58,159
very interesting guy great guest great

721
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,480
guy

722
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,600
just a great person in general yeah i i

723
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:03,120
i do miss him as well

724
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,400
me too so today would have been a

725
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,600
six-day birthday i thought that was

726
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,960
noteworthy

727
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,799
uh to put out there's work on the

728
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:10,400
starchild project

729
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,919
and i tell you man we lose a lot of

730
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,159
friends over time

731
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,480
yeah we do and uh but you know that's

732
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:20,960
just the nature of things but

733
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,360
you know it does happen and um

734
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,840
you know and when it does happen there's

735
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,679
not always someone there to replace them

736
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:30,640
unfortunately

737
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,720
nope that's for sure mystery cell phone

738
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,720
towers lon you put an article about this

739
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,240
on phantoms and monsters

740
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,080
and i've seen articles about it creeping

741
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,000
up everywhere the huffington post

742
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,039
uh leave cnn fox news all the major

743
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:47,279
outlets are reporting these mystery cell

744
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,320
phone towers

745
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,640
you know i i don't know what they are i

746
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,240
mean

747
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:55,520
i i have noticed personally from doing

748
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:55,840
some

749
00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:59,440
investigation uh that

750
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,799
these towers or the areas around these

751
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,159
towers

752
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,360
seem to put out a lot of emf

753
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:10,400
as compared to what they used to

754
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,720
now why they do that i don't know

755
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,400
but the electromagnetic energy or the

756
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:19,760
electromagnetic fields

757
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,720
are much higher now if it's actually

758
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,520
emitting it

759
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,400
or emitting microwaves for something

760
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:27,520
other than

761
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,559
cell phones well you know then

762
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,440
there's a problem and uh it just seems

763
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,200
to me some of these arrays

764
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,919
are much too big for just cell phone

765
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,440
service

766
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,480
so you know they're being used for i

767
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,840
have no idea well that's

768
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,360
that's an interesting point to make i

769
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,120
didn't really think about it from that

770
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,240
perspective

771
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,080
but you know the concern is that you

772
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,760
know it's isis or some terrorist

773
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:54,080
organization could have the ability the

774
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,039
chinese

775
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,279
to build these towers across the united

776
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,520
states and we'd never know because

777
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,799
you know you see a cell phone tower

778
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:02,159
being put up you don't think much of it

779
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,520
you see hey it's a cell phone tower

780
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,799
being put up

781
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,440
but for them not to be listed or you

782
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,279
know whatever they are

783
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,960
it's interesting and it's got people up

784
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,400
in arms because you know everything

785
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,559
these days got to get people up in arms

786
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,480
uh you know the fact of the matter is

787
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:18,159
lon we're being listened to we're being

788
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,799
watched

789
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,799
not a whole lot we could do about it no

790
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,080
it really isn't

791
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:25,760
you know i tell you i um i actually

792
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:29,360
went and got an fcc

793
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,600
licensing list for a number of towers

794
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,559
out in washington county maryland for an

795
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:39,279
investigation i was working for

796
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,720
and i was stunned because there are

797
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,360
a lot of towers out there in that and

798
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,880
i'm quite sure it's everywhere in the

799
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:47,679
country

800
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:52,480
that are not are no longer fcc licensed

801
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,520
uh now who's using them yeah what's

802
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,960
their purpose

803
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,880
that's just it now they look like

804
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:01,120
regular uh

805
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,399
cell phone towers but you'll go back

806
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,240
over the history of the tower itself and

807
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:07,840
the license would have

808
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:11,039
expired five ten years ago but they're

809
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,360
still

810
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,080
being used and and you can put a meter

811
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,600
up there and tell they're being used

812
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,399
yeah i mean you made a point that some

813
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:21,919
of these arrays

814
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,000
are a little too involved

815
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,880
for cellular service or maybe there's a

816
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,600
lot more

817
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,399
you know to them mechanically than what

818
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:34,880
necessarily needs to be there

819
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,919
uh you know i i just watched uh another

820
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,279
documentary on

821
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,760
harp and chemtrails and all that other

822
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:42,640
sort of stuff

823
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,159
i don't know man it boggles my mind as

824
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,760
to what we can use

825
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,880
all this technology for and that we're

826
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,240
i don't want to say that we're ignorant

827
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,159
to the fact but there's not a damn thing

828
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,399
we can do about it

829
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,159
no it really isn't you know you know and

830
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,399
quite frankly that's why i don't get

831
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:03,840
really worried about it you know all the

832
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,279
all the things i do especially uh

833
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:08,960
people i talk on the phone about a lot

834
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,600
of weird stuff sometimes that

835
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,760
you know it's not the mainstream you

836
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,279
know i'm pretty sure

837
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,600
a lot of it's getting listened to and

838
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,679
then again i only live

839
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,000
what 10 miles as the flowcrass from the

840
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,320
nsa building so

841
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:27,120
you know they're listening to me so but

842
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,240
that alone i mean

843
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,200
there are a lot of different um yeah

844
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,720
these are rays i mean

845
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,399
i tell you i started noticing a lot of

846
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:36,720
these arrays around this area

847
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,320
in residential areas um even in

848
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,679
commercial areas where

849
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,080
it shouldn't really be there and i'm

850
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:45,760
starting to i started noticing that 10

851
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,080
to

852
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,080
20 years ago but you could take everyday

853
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,679
things and turn them into these arrays

854
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,120
too for crap out loud they're doing

855
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:52,640
water towers

856
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,480
are being turned into a raise and

857
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:59,760
they just did it here in town uh so

858
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:02,480
any you could disguise them as church

859
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,120
crosses

860
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,080
i mean you can really do you can pretty

861
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,000
much turn anything you need to

862
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,360
uh structurally into an array

863
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:14,080
well you know i live uh i live in

864
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:15,039
baltimore county

865
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,640
in well in randallstown and uh this is

866
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,600
west of baltimore city and i just found

867
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,360
out about a year and a half ago that

868
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,960
there's a little missile silo right

869
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,200
behind me

870
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,880
never knew about it lod's out there

871
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,480
having a picnic lunch and the ground

872
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,240
opens up

873
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,279
and what happened was you know i went

874
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,399
back i drew back as far as i could get

875
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,960
and it's an abandoned missile solid and

876
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:42,960
from people had told me as well

877
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,480
but the security around there is just

878
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,919
unbelievable

879
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,039
now what are they doing there well maybe

880
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:52,640
they still have some active units

881
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:55,520
i don't know you know it's not it's it

882
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,240
doesn't look

883
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,440
military but you know it's got a lot

884
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,399
it's got a lot of um

885
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,919
you know just got a lot of stuff around

886
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:06,000
it's got a lot of antennas a lot of this

887
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,039
and that

888
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,679
uh it's fenced up well you know i think

889
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:10,720
some things that we

890
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,399
we don't think about is space travel's

891
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,600
going to become pretty much

892
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,159
commercialized you know the day

893
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,799
of government you know sponsoring space

894
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,919
travel is really going to be

895
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,919
overshadowed by corporations

896
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,840
and it's starting to be that way now

897
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,120
that are going to be responsible for

898
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,640
footing that bill and you know

899
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:31,120
hey go to mars via acme or you know

900
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,000
whatever the company

901
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:34,000
that's going to be you know starting

902
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,200
virgin mobile is

903
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,760
starting to uh get their vehicles off

904
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,039
the ground into space

905
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,440
testing them out they're starships to uh

906
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,360
get people you know space tourism

907
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,960
so some of these areas you're running

908
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:46,720
into might just be you know a set of

909
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:47,360
government

910
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,840
corporate sanctioned research areas

911
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:56,240
that's possible and you know and when

912
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,279
you talk about the

913
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:59,279
with corporations getting involved with

914
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:00,320
a lot of

915
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,159
stuff that like nasa or the government

916
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:06,320
had been involved with can you just

917
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,279
imagine

918
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,760
the licensing intellectual property

919
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,279
copyrights

920
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:13,679
how bad it is now how much worse it's

921
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,480
going to be that

922
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,679
in the future oh yeah i i

923
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,440
anything they find out there is going to

924
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:20,799
be licensed yeah

925
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,919
hey germs on mars brought to you by

926
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,440
verizon you know or some

927
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,440
strange you know whatever the company

928
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:29,120
i'm just using companies

929
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,399
you know the first burger king on the

930
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,559
moon for crying out loud you know you

931
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:33,840
know i think that kind of

932
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,559
it's gonna eventually just like you know

933
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,760
people

934
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,240
can get on the internet now and can kind

935
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,200
of basically get any information they

936
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,600
want without that much problem

937
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,880
but you know what what's the

938
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:51,039
chance of things information being

939
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,080
limited

940
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,480
as you know as we progress with this

941
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,919
well you know that's a dangerous line of

942
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,200
thought that i haven't thought about

943
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,200
until you just brought that up the most

944
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,880
powerful companies in this world

945
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,600
are telecommunications companies they

946
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,360
run the internet they run the television

947
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:06,880
they practically run

948
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,000
every way we get our information

949
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,919
skype the program we're using right now

950
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,200
owned by microsoft

951
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:16,320
i'm using comcast uh for my internet

952
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,880
source

953
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,240
for my television you know these

954
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,440
companies are huge conglomerates

955
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,519
that control the information man yeah

956
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,799
and you know

957
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,880
it gets to the point where you know when

958
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:28,159
they when are they going to get to the

959
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,360
point where you know they're going to

960
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,960
start

961
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,960
hopefully not but censoring information

962
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,320
that goes out uh

963
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,080
just like what we'd say on skype what

964
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,320
we'd say online uh

965
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,480
even seeing our telephones you know

966
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:42,159
honest to pete and here we go

967
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,200
because this might get some of our

968
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,960
listeners in an uproar but there have

969
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,480
been times we've talked about some

970
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,240
pretty sensitive topics

971
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,960
on uh the shows we belong to in the past

972
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,080
and for some

973
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,880
unknown reason there goes the feed

974
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:55,840
you've been cut

975
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,360
uh hell i had a modem fry out one night

976
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,880
when i was doing beyond the edge radio

977
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,840
when eric and i first

978
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,360
and oh wait when eric and i started

979
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,120
during the radio show

980
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,000
my modem just fizzled out which you know

981
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,919
is technology i understand technology

982
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,359
happens and it usually happens when you

983
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,040
least expect it but i don't know man

984
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,639
the things we talk about you know we

985
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,639
talked to bill bean on several occasions

986
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,720
about demonic activity

987
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,960
and we'd lose the feeds i was listening

988
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,839
to uh

989
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,440
just in preparation for today's

990
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:24,960
interview with linda i was

991
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,079
listening to uh whitley streiber

992
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,960
on a dreamland right and he was talking

993
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,480
about the same thing would happen right

994
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,520
before he had

995
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,200
linda on the show to talk about stuff

996
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,720
his internet would go out or he'd only

997
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,720
be able to reach certain parts

998
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,200
on the world wide web and you know we

999
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,720
take these things for granted as

1000
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,359
anomalies or

1001
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,520
or what have you just you know random

1002
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,440
acts but you know what if

1003
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:51,200
they are something a little bit more

1004
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,480
controlling

1005
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,159
and that's something i'm a little

1006
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,079
uncomfortable with you brought it up but

1007
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,560
i just wanted to comment on it because

1008
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,640
you know things have happened that make

1009
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:03,280
you think you know maybe we are in that

1010
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,480
situation now

1011
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:07,920
just not as involved yet well you know i

1012
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,240
do

1013
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,119
i get questioned a lot more for things i

1014
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,440
put up on the blog i really do

1015
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,320
uh and a lot of the times when i am

1016
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,160
questioned

1017
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,320
you know i noticed where it's coming

1018
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,680
from i mean it's

1019
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,200
you know somebody will say that they're

1020
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,960
this and this but i know it's from

1021
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:25,839
somewhere else

1022
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,680
and um you know it just gets a little

1023
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,359
too

1024
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,400
uh i don't know strange or weird for

1025
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,480
comfort because uh

1026
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:39,280
you know i i i basically tell them look

1027
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,000
you know what i

1028
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,839
what i know and what i you know it's

1029
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,320
what i'm gonna put on the blog

1030
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,839
if there's anything else any other

1031
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,760
information you want you

1032
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,240
need to get it from somewhere else

1033
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:52,160
because people will fix your information

1034
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,119
if it's something

1035
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,200
that is somewhat sensitive for instance

1036
00:36:04,230 --> 00:35:56,800
the

1037
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,240
i was i had a source where i was getting

1038
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,400
a little bit of information

1039
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,320
uh that hadn't been actually released

1040
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,359
yet and i put it up on the blog and man

1041
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,760
i had people just bugging the hell out

1042
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,920
of me to start giving them

1043
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,839
you know all kinds of information i had

1044
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,920
i was not privy to

1045
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,359
and i was just wondering where some a

1046
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,119
lot of this was coming from

1047
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,000
yeah well again there's that line of

1048
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,839
thought that the government has paid

1049
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,839
trolls out there to fish around for this

1050
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,720
information

1051
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:33,440
yeah oh i think they do i really do i do

1052
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,320
think they do

1053
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,760
i don't know what to think about it but

1054
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,520
nothing surprises me anymore i guess the

1055
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,440
point is i was trying to make a few

1056
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,599
moments ago was i don't think we need to

1057
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,680
fear government control anymore i think

1058
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,920
we need to fear corporate control

1059
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,760
because that's where the issue lies you

1060
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,880
know the government's run by the

1061
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,079
corporations

1062
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,720
oh you follow the money yeah i mean you

1063
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,320
follow the money and it's going to take

1064
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,359
exactly where um where you need to go

1065
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,440
and um there's that line from the movie

1066
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,200
man of the year with robin williams when

1067
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:02,880
he plays the character the tv

1068
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,160
uh the tv pundit that

1069
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,160
ends up running for president and when

1070
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,160
he's at the presidential debate

1071
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,760
he says that he wishes there was

1072
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,599
transparency in government

1073
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,839
like nascar where politicians would have

1074
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,960
to wear the badges

1075
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,800
of all their corporate sponsors on them

1076
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,119
so they could be identified

1077
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,560
i think that's funny and i think there's

1078
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:24,400
some truth to that that'd be very

1079
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,040
interesting

1080
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,880
because it's just really relative to

1081
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,400
what we're talking about now

1082
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,440
the the corporations really control

1083
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,800
what goes on in the government and

1084
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,280
sometimes you know we look at the fcc

1085
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,520
battles right now with comcast and time

1086
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:39,119
warner whether they're going to merge or

1087
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,680
not

1088
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,599
does it really matter because it's going

1089
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,119
to happen one day anyhow

1090
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:44,800
well yeah i mean there's you know

1091
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,870
attempt to keep monopolies from forming

1092
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,400
but

1093
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,040
you know it's it's beyond that now i

1094
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,720
mean

1095
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,480
some of these companies that are some of

1096
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,240
these large companies

1097
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,000
that we have now would be considered

1098
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:04,079
monopolies many years ago and i mean

1099
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,440
there's no fighting it

1100
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,040
will look at okay let's just look at a

1101
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:08,960
traditional cable package here

1102
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,079
okay yeah you pay for comcast all right

1103
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:14,560
but you know you have history history

1104
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,119
too

1105
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,839
uh lifetime lifetime movie network

1106
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,760
lifetime real women network

1107
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,839
fyi a new channel now that's come across

1108
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,119
my television

1109
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,160
all these different networks tv

1110
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,520
that are produced by one parent network

1111
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,280
so all the information you're getting

1112
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,200
all these sources don't for one second

1113
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,040
think that's not being filtered by some

1114
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:36,800
guy sitting in a room that says yes or

1115
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,119
no

1116
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,079
somehow and somebody controls that and

1117
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,760
filters that information through

1118
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:44,000
uh even this you know what started this

1119
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,680
conversation for us these cell phone

1120
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,400
towers

1121
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,320
okay that you know nobody knows nothing

1122
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,839
about a lot of the information i was

1123
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,839
just on infowars.com i believe is the

1124
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,480
website

1125
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,000
you know how much the media is

1126
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:56,720
downplaying these towers

1127
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,920
so i mean i'm all for transparency i'm a

1128
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,839
realist and realize we're not going to

1129
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,599
get it

1130
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:06,240
but you know i fear corporations more

1131
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,359
than i fear government

1132
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:09,119
and that's just where i'm at with that

1133
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:10,480
well yeah

1134
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,160
you can kind of parallel it with uh

1135
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,800
the disclosure of ufos by the government

1136
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,839
are

1137
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,200
you're never going to get that that's

1138
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,359
not going to happen uh it's

1139
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,560
you know you're not going to get

1140
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,119
disclosure because

1141
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,119
first thing it's not in the government's

1142
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,040
interest to disclose it

1143
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,160
especially if they've got something that

1144
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:35,760
benefits them from not disclosing it

1145
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,040
it's not going to be disclosed as far as

1146
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:44,079
corporations getting involved with

1147
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,079
aerospace well then it's definitely not

1148
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,680
going to be disclosed

1149
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:52,160
because it's it's intellectual property

1150
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,200
for them and

1151
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,280
why should they tell us what they're

1152
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,480
going to do with it

1153
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:58,880
it's you know if we talk about you know

1154
00:40:02,950 --> 00:39:59,599
just like the

1155
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:02,960
skin walker ranch and uh and the

1156
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,000
aerospace company that owns them

1157
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,440
you know they i don't know what they're

1158
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:09,200
doing out there you know they're doing

1159
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,079
something

1160
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,960
they own it for a reason but you're not

1161
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,200
going to find out about it

1162
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:17,280
no sir and that's where we're at with it

1163
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:18,240
unfortunately

1164
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,280
and that's why i don't get you know

1165
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,520
that's why i don't get into this

1166
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,319
you know disclosure conspiracy you know

1167
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,160
god even had all these

1168
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,200
these former congress people and such go

1169
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,640
to washington

1170
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,079
in front of the press you know the

1171
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,319
washington press club and have this

1172
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,119
big to do about you know it's you know

1173
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,640
it's not it's never going to be

1174
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,480
disclosed

1175
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,920
really good chances of getting

1176
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,599
information about ufos

1177
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,760
one was from ronald reagan and the

1178
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,520
second was bill clinton and neither one

1179
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,960
of those two spilled the beans and

1180
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,400
unless we got a ouija board we ain't

1181
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,960
talking to ronald reagan anytime soon

1182
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,040
so i mean those were just two great

1183
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,640
opportunities we had

1184
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,960
uh for public disclosure on ufos and

1185
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,680
honestly i

1186
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,520
never would have i think if ronald

1187
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,839
reagan even had that information he

1188
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,520
still wouldn't disclose it well that's

1189
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,400
just it

1190
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:08,800
i don't think you know i i it's

1191
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:09,440
interesting

1192
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:12,880
once a candidate runs for president and

1193
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:13,200
they

1194
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,680
is full disclosure

1195
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,200
people are going to know more what's

1196
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,760
going on we're going to be transparent

1197
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:23,440
then they get into office and start

1198
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:24,880
reading and finding out

1199
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,160
in brief exactly what's going on

1200
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,599
well that's the end of that that's not

1201
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,280
going to get disclosed

1202
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:32,800
but it's funny how all these things rope

1203
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,079
together lon the paranormal supernatural

1204
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,640
political scopes you know sometimes they

1205
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:40,880
do reach out and touch one another

1206
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,920
and uh we're left to

1207
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,560
dive through all the pieces and pick

1208
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:48,640
them up and make something tangible

1209
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,760
out of it and you know going back to

1210
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,760
roswell and before that we have an awful

1211
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,280
lot of things to talk about and we just

1212
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,599
tipped the iceberg here on arcane radio

1213
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,560
and folks

1214
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,800
if you haven't realized yet we're

1215
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,400
socially active

1216
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,599
and if you go to arcaneradio.com

1217
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,880
right at the top of the page we have a

1218
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,079
whole bunch of little buttons that have

1219
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,920
our social media icons on there you can

1220
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,040
connect with us

1221
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,400
facebook

1222
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,880
connect with us through yes google plus

1223
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:18,160
i don't know why i went to the trouble

1224
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,119
to create it

1225
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,720
but i figured one day it might pay off

1226
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,079
when the rest of you decide to start

1227
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,920
using google plus

1228
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,319
so it's there and as always for each and

1229
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,839
every show each and every week you can

1230
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:28,560
email us

1231
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,079
at questions arcane radio dot com and

1232
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,760
lon we do have some pretty good guests

1233
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,839
coming up aside from uh

1234
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,839
linda godfrey i love linda she is such a

1235
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,040
sweet lady and i'm

1236
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,280
so excited to have her on the program

1237
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,800
tonight but aside from linda we do have

1238
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,000
some great guests coming up

1239
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:47,119
soon yeah they're uh they're lining up

1240
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,520
and uh i'm i'm very pleased with it uh

1241
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,640
i've been sending out some letters of

1242
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,319
people but

1243
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,319
you know we've had a lot of people

1244
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,000
inquiring about it as well

1245
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:03,119
and these are a lot of well-known people

1246
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,760
so that's

1247
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,920
great well and let me just sign in here

1248
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,599
quick so i can give the listeners

1249
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:10,160
an idea of who's coming on the program

1250
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,200
because you know we have michelle

1251
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,079
hamilton coming back

1252
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,440
on she's going to be talking about uh

1253
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,680
again her book i would still be drowned

1254
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,800
in tears her

1255
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,440
dissertation on spiritualism in the

1256
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,520
abraham lincoln white house

1257
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,960
she's going to be back to talk to us

1258
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,480
about that which was a really popular

1259
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,839
program

1260
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,480
with our listeners um we're going to

1261
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:33,760
have katie elizabeth back to talk about

1262
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,280
um champ

1263
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:40,000
and uh i mean we have just a robert

1264
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,960
sullivan iv

1265
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,640
has emailed to come back onto the

1266
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:44,800
program to talk about

1267
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,359
uh freemasonry in today's media

1268
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,880
which i think is just something we

1269
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,440
talked about on the last show and really

1270
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,440
didn't get to scrape the whole surface

1271
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:57,040
that was a that was a fun program

1272
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,560
because lawn year yeah he's got he's got

1273
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,040
a book coming out and um

1274
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:04,480
he apparently he's got a lot of stuff in

1275
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,359
his book and

1276
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,880
i'm very interested to hear what he has

1277
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,720
to say yeah uh nicole strickland is

1278
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,839
going to be coming back on the program

1279
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,720
to talk about the haunted queen mary

1280
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,400
lyle blackburn we're getting him

1281
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,040
scheduled to come back onto the program

1282
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,599
and it's always good to have lyle on the

1283
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,119
show i've missed his two interviews on

1284
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,520
beyond the edge so

1285
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,359
i i've loved listening to them i met

1286
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119
lyle at the ohio bigfoot conference he's

1287
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:29,040
a real good guy and i'm excited to talk

1288
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,839
to him

1289
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,599
and again another one of my favorite

1290
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,520
ladies in the world of the paranormal

1291
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:35,040
rosemary ellen guiley is going to be on

1292
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,319
the program too and i've interviewed

1293
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,560
rosemary several times

1294
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,400
again another great resource but there's

1295
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,599
some other folks i'd like to get on the

1296
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,359
program too that may not be well known

1297
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,800
rick fisher from

1298
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,280
pennsylvania you know rick's a good

1299
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:48,640
acquaintance of mine i'd love to have

1300
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,760
him on the program

1301
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,440
he does a lot of good work there in

1302
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,520
columbia pa he does his weekly ghost

1303
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,480
walks

1304
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,599
which are kind of cool i think i'm going

1305
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,040
to go on one this weekend as you and i

1306
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:58,800
were talking about off the air

1307
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:02,480
uh-huh yeah yeah that'll be interesting

1308
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,800
and

1309
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:05,200
some cryptozoology i mean we want to

1310
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,240
talk about

1311
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,400
everything the show's not going to be

1312
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:10,240
just about ghosts and ufos we want to

1313
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,200
talk about

1314
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,800
everything encrypted says what we're

1315
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,560
starting out with tonight is my

1316
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:17,520
area of expertise yeah i mean i like all

1317
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,000
14

1318
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,520
subjects and researching anything

1319
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,359
anybody sends to me and believe me i got

1320
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,960
all kinds of

1321
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,640
it comes in all facets you know yeah you

1322
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,040
do i yep that's that's the fun part then

1323
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,800
being able to present it on the radio

1324
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,960
i love it all too just bigfoot's been my

1325
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,000
specialty i i

1326
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,240
have done some ghost investigations i've

1327
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,599
uh ufos

1328
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,760
not really but you know maybe one day

1329
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,640
i'll get there

1330
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,240
i'm starting to open up my mind to these

1331
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,400
things i used to have a closed mind

1332
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:45,040
a closed mind on some of these topics

1333
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,160
and now

1334
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,160
i don't know i guess the more and more i

1335
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,000
investigate the more and more

1336
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,040
open my mind becomes to the possibility

1337
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,960
there are things out there that just

1338
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:57,359
don't have a rational explanation at the

1339
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:58,000
moment

1340
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,359
well we're going to crack your brain

1341
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:01,119
open on this show and just confuse the

1342
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,680
look

1343
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,079
well that's okay i i don't mind that

1344
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:05,920
either

1345
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:08,560
our guest we're really excited about lon

1346
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,280
and i are

1347
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,800
we've been chatting it up all week yes

1348
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,880
we are about how excited we are that we

1349
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,000
got our uh

1350
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:16,480
past past guest on beyond the edge radio

1351
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,200
multiple

1352
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,079
time guest on bte and she's done so many

1353
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,319
shows we're just so happy that uh linda

1354
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:24,960
godfrey could join us tonight and linda

1355
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,839
is a artist investigator and author of

1356
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,560
16

1357
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:31,119
books on strange creatures phenomena and

1358
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,160
people

1359
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,839
and as i just freak mentioned she's a

1360
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,839
frequent guest on national tv and radio

1361
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,720
shows

1362
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,800
including monster quests on seasons one

1363
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,560
and four lost tapes monsters and

1364
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,680
mysteries in america

1365
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,960
law and i think i know someone else on

1366
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,359
that show yeah i do too and uh

1367
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,599
sean hannity's america inside edition

1368
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:49,359
coast to coast am which was you know

1369
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:52,960
just recently on coast to coast again

1370
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,720
npr and wisconsin public radio

1371
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:59,040
and she resides in southeast wisconsin

1372
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,079
with her husband

1373
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,240
and her monster dog grendel and she's

1374
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,720
here tonight to promote her new book

1375
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,119
american monsters a history of monster

1376
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,079
lore legends and sightings in america

1377
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,680
linda thank you so much for joining us

1378
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:13,839
tonight oh thank you so much for having

1379
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,319
me

1380
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,400
it's our pleasure well lon and i both

1381
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:18,160
got the book

1382
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,920
and wow it's uh quite the volume

1383
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:24,960
uh menagerie of monsters in there

1384
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,160
i think anybody who has from

1385
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,520
a passing interest to a collector

1386
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,760
of stories of cryptid creatures will be

1387
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,559
well pleased

1388
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,480
with the book it's phenomenal thank you

1389
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,880
thank you so yeah it did turn out a

1390
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,880
little bit oversized i kept writing my

1391
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,160
publisher and saying

1392
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,760
could i just put in another thousand

1393
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:45,680
words i just got this really great

1394
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,800
report and they were pretty good up to

1395
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,280
up to a point but they they stopped me

1396
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,480
somewhere around 376 pages

1397
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,920
well you know it all gets added to my

1398
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,160
digital library so my wife doesn't let

1399
00:48:01,270 --> 00:48:00,079
me have books around anymore they uh

1400
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:01,280
you know it's funny when people come

1401
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,480
into the house and you know they look

1402
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,760
around and look at your volumes of

1403
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,520
collections and they see bigfoot true

1404
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,480
apes of america

1405
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,200
and linda godfrey's books and john

1406
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,400
green's books and

1407
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,559
lawns you know they start to look at you

1408
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,910
yeah well that's definitely what happens

1409
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,119
at my house i mean

1410
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,640
i i've got them in every room of the

1411
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,400
house just about

1412
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,760
just to get back to your book here this

1413
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,440
isn't the first book you've done

1414
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,240
but this has been one of my favorite

1415
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,800
books i mean it touches every subject

1416
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,480
just about every cryptid you could

1417
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,119
really get into

1418
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:38,160
well that was really my aim in a way

1419
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:42,000
because um i'm i'm probably best known

1420
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:43,520
for what i like to call the

1421
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,559
unknown upright canine but that is more

1422
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,000
usually called the dog man

1423
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,720
wolf man or my least favorite term

1424
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,400
werewolf because i don't think they're

1425
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,480
traditional werewolves at all but right

1426
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:55,599
from the very beginning

1427
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,559
22 years ago when i first broke that

1428
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,960
news story of the beast of bray road

1429
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:04,319
people began to send me not just reports

1430
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:05,359
of that creature

1431
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,760
but of large birds bigfoot especially

1432
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,599
and just other weird things little green

1433
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,359
men you name it

1434
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,640
i have reports of it and i kind of got a

1435
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:18,640
taste of putting all those together when

1436
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,200
i did

1437
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:22,000
the monsters of wisconsin book which was

1438
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,880
a lot of fun

1439
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,800
and also the two of the books in the

1440
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,000
weird series

1441
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,440
but what i really wanted to do was

1442
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,559
take the time to just lay out

1443
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,720
sort of a compendium and i couldn't get

1444
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,160
everyone in i mean they're

1445
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,240
i'm sure there are all kinds of monsters

1446
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,000
out there kind of sulking and pouting in

1447
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:41,680
their caves you know because

1448
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,800
i couldn't include them but i did my

1449
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,480
best to represent

1450
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,760
the things that go by air sea and

1451
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:52,800
land to roughly roughly

1452
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,079
categorize them because i wanted people

1453
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,720
not just cryptozoologists but your

1454
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,400
average mainstream american to

1455
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,680
understand

1456
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:04,240
how many sober credible people are

1457
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,119
seeing

1458
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,160
incredible crazy but

1459
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,720
very real seeming creatures that they

1460
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,960
can't identify you know it's not just

1461
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,680
one or two

1462
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,280
kooks here and there it's your next door

1463
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,280
neighbor it's your daughter it's your

1464
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,280
teacher it's your you know local

1465
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,040
scientist or

1466
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,079
um your airplane airlines worker

1467
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,680
those are all examples of people who

1468
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,440
have reported these things to me

1469
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,760
and most of the time they will not tell

1470
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:31,440
you because they know you will say

1471
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:32,400
they're crazy

1472
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,839
so instead they tell me and i'm happy

1473
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,599
always to keep people anonymous

1474
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,240
as long as i have their id and can reach

1475
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,240
them and prove to an editor that they're

1476
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,359
real people you know because um there's

1477
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,359
absolutely no need to make any of this

1478
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,240
up there are just far too many real and

1479
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,160
incredible reports but you always have

1480
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,319
that sort of in the back of your mind

1481
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,720
so some are anonymous but more and more

1482
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,960
people are willing to come out and give

1483
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,079
their names

1484
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,880
i've noticed in the past few years

1485
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:04,160
thanks to all the people that are

1486
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,200
standing up and

1487
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,920
and making people realize hey i'm not

1488
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,839
the only one i'm not crazy

1489
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,440
there are other peoples who have seen

1490
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:13,680
peop people's people who have seen

1491
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,119
giant flying birds or

1492
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:19,520
really grotesque things washing up on

1493
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,160
the beach

1494
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,720
or odd looking things jumping out at

1495
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:25,520
them from cornfields or woods

1496
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,559
you know and i guess that's the good

1497
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,200
thing about paranormal entertainment

1498
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,559
today is even though you know they're

1499
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,119
not made for the true researcher i don't

1500
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,960
believe they're made for everybody

1501
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,640
it does get the message out there you

1502
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,319
know good or bad it does make people

1503
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,839
more comfortable

1504
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,079
and uh and talking about these things

1505
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,920
and also with folks like you

1506
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,599
on the program it gives them somebody to

1507
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:48,160
identify with that they can go to

1508
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,920
and share those sightings someone like

1509
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:52,000
lon you know you were telling me 22

1510
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,880
years ago

1511
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,880
not only were you getting sightings of

1512
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,800
dog man you know that kind of opened up

1513
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,720
the the door for all these other strange

1514
00:52:01,190 --> 00:52:00,079
things just reminded me of standing oh

1515
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,200
yeah

1516
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,119
from you know i'm a personal friend of

1517
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,800
stan's and uh just listening to the

1518
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,920
stories he told me from

1519
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,400
you know tells me from 50 years ago it's

1520
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:10,079
just amazing that he's been collecting

1521
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,040
this stuff for so long

1522
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,960
even 20 years as well yeah it's amazing

1523
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,960
yeah stan has a tremendous

1524
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:17,280
collection i've actually been plugging

1525
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,000
him

1526
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,359
and you as long-standing collectors who

1527
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,079
are getting this phenomenal assemblage

1528
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,800
of reports you know and my dream is

1529
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:27,920
someday to see a

1530
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,520
a multi-researcher

1531
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,760
sort of database where we could finally

1532
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:35,520
put it all together and then just

1533
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,599
boom put it all up on a map and you know

1534
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,359
the bigfoot sightings would pop out here

1535
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,880
and the dogman sightings would pop out

1536
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,319
there and the giant birds

1537
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,160
would pop up there and you know what

1538
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,319
would that look like let's start off

1539
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:47,839
with giant birds because that's kind of

1540
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,400
the first

1541
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,599
books monsters by

1542
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,599
air and i live right in north central

1543
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,760
pennsylvania so i'm kind of

1544
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:58,559
in quote-unquote thunderbird country

1545
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,440
yeah

1546
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,359
up here with sightings and lon you get

1547
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,800
sightings from this area

1548
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,160
you know i live here but you get the

1549
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,240
sightings more than i do and stan

1550
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,800
this is a really happening area for

1551
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:11,040
large bird sightings and you started off

1552
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,359
with

1553
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,760
one that was really incredible webb lake

1554
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:15,920
the 18-foot wingspan

1555
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,440
on that bird yeah that was um

1556
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:21,760
i was just really gobsmacked by this

1557
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,559
particular sighting because

1558
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,000
although there are a lot of big bird

1559
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:29,280
sightings people often will either only

1560
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,920
see them

1561
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,760
kind of sitting on the ground or usually

1562
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,280
flying in the air where there's

1563
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:35,200
really nothing much to compare it to in

1564
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,720
in terms of size and

1565
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,640
it's known that it's really really hard

1566
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,760
to estimate

1567
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,440
things that are just seen in the sky

1568
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,599
with nothing next to them you know it's

1569
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:46,160
just so hard to to figure out exactly

1570
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:46,880
how

1571
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,160
far away they are from you but this guy

1572
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:53,040
um who this this occurred in 2005 so it

1573
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,599
was

1574
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,520
fairly recent less than less than a

1575
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:56,800
decade ago

1576
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,319
this is um a

1577
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,119
somewhat going on middle-aged man

1578
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,960
professional businessman from minnesota

1579
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,880
he's vacationing in northern wisconsin

1580
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,800
riding his bike along this nice country

1581
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:10,000
lane charlotte

1582
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,599
and all of a sudden he looks over into

1583
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,760
this meadow of very high grass

1584
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:16,319
and he sees this giant bird standing

1585
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,040
there

1586
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,280
and the grass is like up to his waist

1587
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,440
and he's over six feet tall i've met him

1588
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,680
he's you know quite a quite a large guy

1589
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,640
and the bird

1590
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,720
is so much taller and bigger than he is

1591
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,920
that he just

1592
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,760
you know he said he just stopped his

1593
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,440
bike dropped the bike

1594
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,319
where it stood and immediately began

1595
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,440
running like a kid

1596
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,599
into this field because he was so

1597
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,559
excited to see this gigantic bird

1598
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,240
and then he got about halfway into the

1599
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,839
field and said he all of a sudden

1600
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,440
thought better of it because he's

1601
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,599
starting to think what if it's a female

1602
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:49,359
and she's got a nest and she's you know

1603
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,480
territorial

1604
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,559
and just then it looked at him and saw

1605
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,920
him you know which again

1606
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,400
was a very blood-curdling experience

1607
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,480
because again he realized that this

1608
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:01,440
large large thing was now aware of him

1609
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:01,760
but

1610
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,119
instead of attacking him it started

1611
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:07,839
billowing its wings its massive wings

1612
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:08,240
and

1613
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,359
he was describing it as probably

1614
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,079
closer to a stork or a crane than any

1615
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,359
other bird but he said it didn't look

1616
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,720
like either one

1617
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:19,040
he knew it wasn't a sandhill crane which

1618
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,000
wisconsin does have

1619
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:22,400
or a whooping crane it was much bigger

1620
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:23,359
than those things

1621
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,880
and especially in the way it was taking

1622
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,480
off he said you could see

1623
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,640
the billows in the wings as it was

1624
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,880
trying to get enough air to lift itself

1625
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,040
and it finally did and it kind of

1626
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,480
wobbled and took off

1627
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,480
down this road so he also he got to see

1628
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,079
it standing there

1629
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,200
estimate its um height see it take off

1630
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:44,000
and observe the action of its wings and

1631
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,319
that's

1632
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,240
in the shape of its wings and then it

1633
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:48,880
took off down this road where he'd been

1634
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,880
biking and as as it went he could see

1635
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,760
that um

1636
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,400
before it gained much at altitude he

1637
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,000
could see that its wings were about the

1638
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,880
same width as the road which i measured

1639
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,599
and they kind of varied between 18 and

1640
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,960
22 feet but it was

1641
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,960
around 20 feet right at the spot where

1642
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,559
he said that he uh

1643
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,400
you know accessed that point in regard

1644
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,160
to the to the bird size

1645
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,640
so um it was huge you know and then he

1646
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,119
watched it go off in that direction

1647
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,720
knowing to his um curiosity that there

1648
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,119
was a small airport not very far away

1649
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,960
you know and he was thinking to himself

1650
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,160
that somebody

1651
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,160
must have seen it on radar he inquired

1652
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:30,240
around he never got anyone else to admit

1653
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,720
that

1654
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,559
they had seen it or knew anything about

1655
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,880
it but this was a beautiful bright

1656
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,880
summer day it wasn't nighttime he had a

1657
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,799
great view of it

1658
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,200
had a protracted sighting that you know

1659
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,559
lasted

1660
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:45,040
at least probably a minute or two which

1661
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,680
is long

1662
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,680
for cryptid sightings most of most of

1663
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:49,440
them are only two two or three seconds

1664
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,559
if you're lucky

1665
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,880
so um i consider it a very good signing

1666
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,559
and also you know he's one of these that

1667
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,680
said you know

1668
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,920
i know what i saw it changed my life i

1669
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,680
think about it every day i wonder

1670
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,400
why i saw something like that but you

1671
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:04,160
know people may as well know it was me

1672
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,480
he

1673
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,680
book so

1674
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,680
um and that always does lend some

1675
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,280
credibility i think when people are

1676
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:12,720
willing to do that so

1677
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:15,200
you know i rated this this sighting up

1678
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,079
there with a

1679
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,200
in an a a plus range myself he's very

1680
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,799
detailed in his description of how it

1681
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,280
takes off rolling flapping wings

1682
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,079
non-graceful as it's trying to take off

1683
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,359
kind of clumsy

1684
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,200
i i would rate it a really good sighting

1685
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,280
myself and you know

1686
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,319
like you said it's rare that these you

1687
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:35,839
know prolonged sightings

1688
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:38,799
do happen especially with what the uh i

1689
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,920
guess we'll call them avians because we

1690
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:40,960
really don't know

1691
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,799
birds pterodons whatever they are and uh

1692
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:47,760
just 18 feet i i don't know if any bird

1693
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,400
that that's

1694
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:51,200
that's a big wingspan that's huge it is

1695
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:51,839
it is

1696
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,319
and yet it's not terribly unusual for

1697
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:55,839
giant bird sightings

1698
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,040
it's it's kind of a common um size i

1699
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:01,280
i discovered and i was really shocked

1700
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,240
when i began

1701
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,480
doing extra research for this book to

1702
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,440
find out

1703
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,680
how many of these giant flying things

1704
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:09,839
there are

1705
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,000
and it's nationwide too

1706
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:16,400
but there seem to be concentrations of

1707
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,200
it uh

1708
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:19,119
they do not only in wisconsin but i

1709
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:20,240
think

1710
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:24,000
indiana illinois pennsylvania texas

1711
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,680
maybe out in uh new mexico and all these

1712
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:29,440
seem to be concentrations of these

1713
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,920
things

1714
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,400
now you did mention to me about some new

1715
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:34,079
bird sightings uh

1716
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,599
what's going on yeah well you know

1717
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,599
the ones that they're new to me uh one

1718
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,440
is quite recent one is quite old and

1719
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,640
one's in the middle

1720
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,280
um but they all just came in to me you

1721
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:46,960
know quite recently and

1722
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,559
i did post some um short abbreviated

1723
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,680
versions of them

1724
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,160
just today on my on my blog at linda

1725
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,599
godfrey.com

1726
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,400
so if you uh you know want a little more

1727
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,559
written description you can go there but

1728
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,880
one happened i'll start with the oldest

1729
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:05,440
one just to run down them real quickly

1730
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:08,720
one was in

1731
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,359
pennsylvania either 1996 or 97

1732
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,160
and they so this is this is all your

1733
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:17,680
europe territory and

1734
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:21,119
and stan gordon's too and the person who

1735
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:21,839
wrote

1736
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:24,559
was a woman who said she was driving

1737
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,040
along

1738
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,040
it was near it was in pike county

1739
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,599
pennsylvania near buschkill falls

1740
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,920
which is a great name for a place for

1741
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:33,040
encrypted

1742
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,799
and she saw this huge bird-like creature

1743
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,040
just sort of gliding over the treetops

1744
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,720
and this again it was daylight it was a

1745
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,160
fall day

1746
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,160
she actually was able to stop her car

1747
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,240
because it was sort of oblivious

1748
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,319
to her you know gliding over almost as

1749
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,400
if it was looking for something

1750
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:53,040
and she said its wings foot its wingspan

1751
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:54,880
was about as big as my car

1752
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,000
which i measured to be 17 feet long and

1753
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,280
its body was at least as big as a man's

1754
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,119
and then once it sort of started

1755
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,839
disappearing beyond the trees

1756
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,920
she got back in her car tried to follow

1757
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,200
it couldn't find it

1758
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:11,760
and then she set about calling all the

1759
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,119
local animal researchers humane society

1760
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,119
that sort of thing and they all

1761
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,119
ridiculed her of course and said she had

1762
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:20,880
seen a turkey vulture and she knew very

1763
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,520
well

1764
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,520
that it was not a turkey vulture you

1765
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:25,680
know i think that's the standard

1766
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:28,480
go-to thing then there was another one

1767
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:29,520
in

1768
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,720
actually 1995 i believe yeah so i guess

1769
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:36,319
that was about the same time

1770
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:40,000
in western nebraska it's a place called

1771
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,520
state line island on the border of

1772
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,119
wyoming and nebraska

1773
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,119
and this again was daylight late

1774
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,720
afternoon in may

1775
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,480
and this man's hiking along the north

1776
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,720
platte river comes out into a clearing

1777
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,480
and at first he thinks there's these two

1778
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:54,319
really weird big-headed people standing

1779
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:54,880
there

1780
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:57,359
and then he looks again and realizes

1781
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:58,640
it's two

1782
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:02,160
very large birds that were

1783
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,160
fairly close they were taller than him

1784
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,960
they had he estimated a 15 to 20 foot

1785
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:09,760
wingspan

1786
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:12,880
and they were black solid black feathers

1787
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,680
not brown no markings the head was not

1788
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:17,280
naked like a vulture one was a little

1789
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,240
bit bigger they

1790
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:20,480
were more like raptors of some type he

1791
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,280
said

1792
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:23,599
and then as usually happens one turned

1793
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,480
its head

1794
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:27,200
looked at him and this is where it gets

1795
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,000
really weird

1796
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,480
they both take off and he describes that

1797
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,559
same sort of struggling motion

1798
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,640
you know to get into the air well one

1799
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,680
sails right up

1800
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,680
and the other one is really struggling

1801
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,200
and flapping and then

1802
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,920
he can see that it's trying to carry off

1803
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:43,440
a dead deer

1804
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,640
a smallish deer and he had hiked

1805
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,799
at that spot the day before and noticed

1806
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:50,640
there was a small doe

1807
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:53,680
dead there that he estimated to weigh

1808
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,720
75 to 100 pounds and this

1809
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,200
huge bird has got it in its talons and

1810
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,359
is trying to lift off with it and

1811
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,200
finally manages to do so while the other

1812
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,039
one is circling and screeching

1813
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:07,520
you know like hurry up or get up here or

1814
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,720
you know he didn't know if the thing was

1815
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,839
screeching at him

1816
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:12,000
and he said the whole encounter took

1817
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,280
less than five minutes

1818
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,920
i'm a hunter a hiker and an outdoorsman

1819
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:17,760
i've never seen anything like these

1820
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:20,240
birds before since they put the fear of

1821
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,680
god in me because i figured if it could

1822
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,119
carry off a deer carcass

1823
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:26,640
it might could carry me off as well

1824
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,839
that's interesting because uh you don't

1825
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,280
really you know you hear about these

1826
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:32,880
thunderbirds or

1827
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,160
these large birds but you very rarely

1828
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,640
have people association them with

1829
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:40,000
raptors

1830
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,160
or you know a raptor type a raptor type

1831
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,200
bird right although if you look in

1832
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:49,839
the native american lore most of the

1833
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:50,319
time

1834
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,720
when they talk about a thunderbird they

1835
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,319
don't draw something that looks like a

1836
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:56,000
pterodactyl they draw something that

1837
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,440
looks like an eagle

1838
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:59,920
or a great hawk or something like that

1839
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,559
so

1840
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:03,520
the actual thunderbird lore that i could

1841
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,079
find

1842
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:06,799
is more often much more often associated

1843
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:07,359
with

1844
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,039
raptor type birds but i think we've

1845
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,200
we've somehow kind of come to associate

1846
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,599
it in the minds of a lot of the public

1847
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,920
with um the more prehistoric you know

1848
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,119
the pterosaurs

1849
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,839
or pterodactyls that some of them call

1850
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:24,000
call them

1851
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:30,150
you know nebraska too that's not that's

1852
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,000
not your typical area to get a report

1853
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,789
uh that is interesting now you've been

1854
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:38,240
working on

1855
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,240
i suppose

1856
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:44,720
that you call the heartland creature can

1857
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:52,069
yeah i've actually got a couple of cases

1858
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,599
i've been working on not too far from

1859
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:55,440
home that are sort of ongoing

1860
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,240
and if you're curious again there's a

1861
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:00,400
witness sketch at linda godfrey.com just

1862
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:02,960
on the blog scroll down a couple but

1863
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:06,000
this was reported to me by

1864
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:09,839
again a professional middle-aged woman

1865
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:12,559
living in a residential very residential

1866
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,280
area of heartland which is a small town

1867
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,400
north west of milwaukee but adjacent to

1868
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:21,200
this little area they call land lakes

1869
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,720
because it looks like god took

1870
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,640
all of his fingers and pushed them down

1871
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:26,240
and just kept making lakes you know by

1872
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,960
poking in the

1873
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,160
that's what it looks like if you look at

1874
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,000
it from a map and

1875
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:32,319
so there's tons of lakes and swamps and

1876
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,599
that sort of thing and then you've got

1877
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,799
this little town of

1878
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:36,640
heartland which i might add is only

1879
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,680
about uh less than half an hour south of

1880
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,440
the holy hill area where you've got the

1881
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,880
holy hill bear wolf and

1882
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,480
other stories that people may remember

1883
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,240
from there but this woman

1884
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,160
is awakened is awakened at 1 30 in the

1885
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:50,000
morning by her little dog coming barking

1886
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:51,119
and barking and barking

1887
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:54,079
she thought that it had to go outside

1888
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:54,559
and

1889
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:57,760
deck with it

1890
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,200
and they get out to the deck and

1891
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:01,119
normally it you know jumps out onto the

1892
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:02,559
lawn and does what it needs to do and

1893
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,359
comes back

1894
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:05,680
this time it was whimpering behind her

1895
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,480
and refused to set foot on the grass

1896
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,880
so she's kind of looking you know and

1897
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,240
squinting and

1898
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:15,119
like i said this is residential it's lot

1899
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,280
lines coming up to the backyard not

1900
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,920
gigantic acres but you know normal maybe

1901
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:21,440
half acre lots at the most

1902
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,480
or less and there are

1903
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,640
neighbors patios lights on plus she said

1904
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,720
it was a almost full moon so it was

1905
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:30,000
pretty bright

1906
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:33,440
and she saw this thing walking across

1907
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,440
the lot line with her back neighbor and

1908
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,520
she at first it looked like it was

1909
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,440
wearing a gray fur coat she thought

1910
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,760
because it had this

1911
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,240
kind of wide chest and she could see all

1912
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:48,240
this gray fur and then as it came out

1913
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:49,680
more into the light

1914
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:52,240
she realized that it wasn't a human it

1915
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:52,960
had a

1916
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,799
canine face although with a slightly

1917
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,400
shorter muzzle than you usually think of

1918
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,680
with a dog man but

1919
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:59,839
you know a definite muzzle and pointed

1920
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:00,960
ears

1921
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,680
and she said it was walking on its toes

1922
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:05,520
like a dog toe pads with

1923
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,839
the typical bent backward comment about

1924
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,920
the legs meaning that the hawk is

1925
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:11,760
um being noticed where you'd expect the

1926
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,839
knee and

1927
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,240
it just kept striding that was the word

1928
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,200
that she used taking fairly good size

1929
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,319
steps and then all of a sudden

1930
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:25,520
turned and looked at her and she drew

1931
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:26,960
her witness sketch

1932
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,839
this is very eerie looking at her except

1933
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,839
she left the eyes off because its head

1934
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:33,280
was a little bit in shadow

1935
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,880
she couldn't see the eyes there was

1936
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,960
nothing shining directly on it to give

1937
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:38,160
it eye shine

1938
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:40,160
and so she just left that part off of

1939
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,440
the sketch because she didn't want to

1940
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,119
add anything that she didn't actually

1941
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,960
see which i think is a sign of a really

1942
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:47,280
good eye witness

1943
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:50,000
and yeah exactly and so because even

1944
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:51,520
even good eye witnesses will sometimes

1945
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,880
try and guess at something and she

1946
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:54,319
didn't even want to do that

1947
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,799
so it turned and kept going as if like

1948
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,640
huh i don't care if you're watching me

1949
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,400
you know which really freaked her out

1950
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,240
and so at that point

1951
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,000
she saw where it was headed into there's

1952
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,079
a little patch of woods that led to

1953
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,240
somewhere else where it could within a

1954
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:09,440
few blocks end up

1955
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,359
on the freeway which had a big wide

1956
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,359
ditch with lots of plants and

1957
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,440
and could have got easily gotten back

1958
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,240
off into the lake area from there

1959
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,680
so um she found me and i was out there

1960
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:22,960
within a couple of days

1961
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:26,640
and examined her property and that back

1962
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:30,160
lot line where she saw it walking had uh

1963
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,280
a big trail of mulch where um

1964
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:35,920
mounded mulch with dirt underneath it

1965
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,319
and

1966
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:38,160
something had been walking on that mulch

1967
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,839
following what were obviously deer

1968
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:41,039
tracks

1969
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:44,400
that

1970
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,680
it had penetrated the mulch and was down

1971
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,720
into the dirt

1972
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:50,480
and these other tracks were sort of the

1973
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,480
same way mulch is a terrible

1974
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:54,960
terrible medium to try and i've tried

1975
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,680
believe me

1976
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,760
to try and take casts you know because

1977
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,039
it just trickles down it

1978
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:01,440
it's uneven it gets kicked around but

1979
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:03,680
this these were deep enough that it was

1980
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:06,160
down into the subsoil just a little bit

1981
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,079
not enough to get a good imprint but

1982
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:11,039
that you could make out um the size of

1983
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:11,280
the

1984
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:14,960
and a half inches

1985
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:17,520
which is quite large for even you know

1986
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:18,799
for a large dog

1987
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:21,199
they were only back prints there weren't

1988
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:22,839
uh front ones

1989
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:25,839
and they were um not

1990
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:28,319
any more spread than the deer prints

1991
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,759
were so that you know there was a good

1992
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,480
comparison

1993
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,400
and it was obviously tracking these

1994
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,560
these deer prints as it went

1995
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:36,960
so um i i got some pretty good pictures

1996
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,239
of those and then

1997
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,880
the eeriest part was that we walked

1998
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,080
around the house because she had the

1999
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,359
same sort of thing

2000
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,120
there and she said you know it was weird

2001
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:47,440
because the last month my daughter

2002
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:51,040
who is special needs has been saying

2003
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,239
mommy i saw

2004
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,880
a monster at my window almost every

2005
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:56,319
night and when i went and looked under

2006
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,199
her window

2007
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:59,279
those same prints were there and you

2008
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,560
could tell that

2009
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:03,359
it was standing on the left using the

2010
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,000
left

2011
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:07,199
foot as a sort of a pivot and then using

2012
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:08,239
the right foot to

2013
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,960
uh to turn around to see the best view

2014
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,480
of the child in her bed

2015
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,640
inside that room it was what it would

2016
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:16,480
have been aimed directly at her at an

2017
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:17,359
angle

2018
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:20,319
so that was really pretty scary i

2019
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,960
thought

2020
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:23,440
uh it gives me goosebumps just thinking

2021
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:25,520
oh exactly yeah and so

2022
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,719
um she also later found these kind of

2023
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:29,759
weird

2024
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:33,199
print

2025
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:35,920
for lack of a better term um on the

2026
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:37,679
siding of the house about four feet up

2027
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,400
which is

2028
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:40,640
too high for a raccoon and it didn't

2029
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,080
look

2030
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,239
human at all it was was very strange

2031
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:46,159
there's pictures of that on the

2032
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:49,359
um the website too i came

2033
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,719
back another night armed with some deer

2034
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:53,759
asterisk

2035
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,880
scent to add to the the tracks so that

2036
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:01,440
my fellow investigator and i could sit

2037
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,080
on her deck

2038
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,960
and watch through the through at least

2039
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:06,480
the wee hours of the morning which we

2040
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,199
did

2041
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:09,360
and nothing came while we were there but

2042
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,400
she has

2043
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,080
been putting up a game camera and has

2044
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:14,159
gotten some interesting

2045
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,600
uh photos nothing that proves what it is

2046
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:20,640
but one of them looks like

2047
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,760
a really weird um

2048
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,159
column of light that's translucent

2049
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,520
around the edges

2050
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:29,760
and looks sort of like a vague figure in

2051
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:30,640
the center

2052
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,920
and it correlates very strongly to

2053
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,600
two other sites in southeastern

2054
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,360
wisconsin that

2055
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,040
i and a fellow investigator have been

2056
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:45,270
now do you think this thing whatever it

2057
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:45,679
is

2058
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,159
property or you think it's getting there

2059
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:52,719
by other means

2060
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,080
um well in this case um

2061
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,320
we we did so i mean you can only do so

2062
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,840
much with google maps as great as they

2063
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,520
are i always like to

2064
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,320
um take a stroll at ground level and we

2065
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,159
were able to see enough

2066
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,840
areas in that residential neighborhood

2067
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:09,679
where something could have been

2068
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,719
going from patch to patch of small woods

2069
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,640
to actually get there she saw it coming

2070
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,159
from the neighbor's yard

2071
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,400
and then she saw it departing into a

2072
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:19,920
neighbor's yard so it's

2073
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,040
hard to say for sure but

2074
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:26,000
if the photo that she got was actually

2075
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,440
of this creature

2076
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,760
it does not photograph like any sort of

2077
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:31,280
natural animal

2078
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,239
you know that's uh you know every once

2079
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:36,320
in a while when

2080
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,320
people talk about seeing something like

2081
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:41,040
that and trying to capture

2082
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,560
you know a picture of it a light will

2083
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,880
show up or something weird

2084
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,560
and uh the first thing you start

2085
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,640
thinking is oh god this thing is

2086
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,880
coming in from somewhere else and uh you

2087
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,000
know you don't know what

2088
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,640
it is now you say that they're you're

2089
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,199
having similar sightings

2090
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,920
somewhere else as well right there's

2091
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,679
there's uh two different locations one

2092
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:05,600
of which i've been

2093
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:08,239
helping a property owner with and

2094
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,040
working on

2095
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,480
for a year and we have

2096
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:14,800
thousands and thousands of trail cam

2097
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,600
photos

2098
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,920
and it's really interesting because when

2099
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:19,040
something like

2100
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,800
a coyote or a skunk or

2101
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,719
even we've got one with a couple of

2102
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,159
hawks

2103
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,679
so anything like that shows up the

2104
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,760
photos are beautiful detailed

2105
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:31,520
um you know there's no problem with

2106
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,800
anything taking pictures

2107
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,520
but when something comes along and does

2108
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,560
what

2109
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,600
shouldn't be possible with um

2110
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,280
the carcasses that we because we've been

2111
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,960
baiting with deer and other types of

2112
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:43,920
carcasses

2113
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,360
all this time i think we're on about i

2114
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,800
think we're on about the eighth deer

2115
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:48,400
right now

2116
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:52,960
and um it's it's interesting because

2117
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,080
there was a 60-pound deer

2118
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,880
right in the beginning that was picked

2119
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,480
up i think that was the first year i

2120
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:01,920
think that was

2121
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:05,840
uh last last september into october

2122
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:09,280
and something over the course of half an

2123
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,120
hour picked that deer up

2124
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:15,600
did not show on either of several game

2125
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,040
cameras that were trained

2126
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,080
directly at it and on and functioning

2127
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:23,199
instead there was a column of really

2128
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:24,320
weird

2129
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:27,920
solid semi-solid looking mist

2130
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:30,640
with some different colors in it we have

2131
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,199
about

2132
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:34,000
oh there some something like 30 photos

2133
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:34,800
of that mist

2134
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:37,600
and the leaves in the trees surrounding

2135
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,239
it

2136
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,560
are perfectly clear and sharp you know

2137
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,080
so it's not like there was a fog

2138
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,040
or anything like this it was daylight so

2139
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,880
you can kind of see what's going on

2140
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,360
um and when it ends when it begins the

2141
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:51,280
deer is there when it ends the deer is

2142
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,239
gone

2143
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:54,880
and it wasn't dragged there were no drag

2144
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:55,440
marks

2145
01:14:02,950 --> 01:13:59,280
there were deep bipedal wolf-like

2146
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:02,960
tracks that somehow picked this thing up

2147
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:06,239
and carried it over a barbed wire fence

2148
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:07,760
the property owner and his brother were

2149
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:10,239
able to track it through a field

2150
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,920
and quite a long ways into another field

2151
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:15,360
before they had to give up because they

2152
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:16,640
didn't want to trespass in someone

2153
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:17,280
else's

2154
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,560
yard or a field excuse me

2155
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,360
and we've had similar things uh repeated

2156
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:25,199
with different variations

2157
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:28,960
we've had some carcasses where

2158
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,920
one limb is removed with surgical

2159
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:33,360
precision

2160
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:35,360
we've had them where the carcass will

2161
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,400
just sit

2162
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,000
things will be skulking around it but

2163
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:39,600
nothing will touch it and then all of a

2164
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,400
sudden

2165
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,480
something will completely eat a

2166
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:44,239
180-pound carcass

2167
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:48,159
within about um 27 hours

2168
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:51,520
wow and drag it away and then bring it

2169
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,480
back

2170
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,320
drag the bones away and then bring the

2171
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:56,159
bones back i should say or

2172
01:15:02,630 --> 01:14:59,920
is that oh my lord and we're getting

2173
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,640
weird really weird and light anomalies

2174
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:04,960
day and night um you know i've been

2175
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,000
busily

2176
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,520
compare comparing to there are a lot of

2177
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:09,280
good pages you can go to to figure out

2178
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,400
you know what

2179
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,880
what light anomalies are and and you

2180
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:13,760
know you can

2181
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,800
identify the so-called rods where it's

2182
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,719
really just the trajectory of an insect

2183
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,480
that's too close that kind of thing

2184
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:23,440
and we can eliminate many things but

2185
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,080
then there's

2186
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:27,199
just so much left over so it's

2187
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,159
it's kind of an unusual study and as i

2188
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:31,840
said it's been ongoing for about a year

2189
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:32,800
now

2190
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:39,120
things

2191
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,040
does this compare to any other

2192
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:43,040
investigation that you've done

2193
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:46,560
no no um there's a lot more to it

2194
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:50,800
there's more um in terms of the

2195
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,400
other anomalies you know we've got

2196
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:55,920
things like

2197
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,880
middle of february snow there hasn't

2198
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,000
been a thaw

2199
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,400
and these two footprints and set down in

2200
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,920
the middle of

2201
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,480
the field and walk into a woods on just

2202
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,560
behind legs that kind of thing

2203
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,760
you know it's it's very very odd

2204
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,920
and this field is very private it's

2205
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,080
surrounded you can't see it from a road

2206
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:18,880
it's surrounded by other fields and it's

2207
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,320
not any place where people go back there

2208
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,000
well you know i've got to ask you has

2209
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,880
there been any ufo activity around there

2210
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:29,199
oh sure yeah um southeastern wisconsin

2211
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,159
has tons of

2212
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,360
of ufo activity and

2213
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,199
there's also been ufo activity around

2214
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:37,840
heartland and the holy hill area

2215
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:41,440
and all kinds of places so yeah that

2216
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,800
that's sort of an ongoing thing um

2217
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:47,280
there's we have one photo of something

2218
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,719
that

2219
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:50,400
may be a ufo we haven't been able to

2220
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:52,640
rule it out but we can't prove it either

2221
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:56,320
but um yeah that there are ufos in the

2222
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:56,800
area

2223
01:17:03,669 --> 01:16:59,600
sure well i'm intrigued i'm very

2224
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:03,679
intrigued by this that's uh

2225
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:07,120
wow yeah and it's hard for me to go wow

2226
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,159
because i you know

2227
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:09,760
that but this is something this is

2228
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,000
something entirely different

2229
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:15,440
yeah it it it is and i mean we have had

2230
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,880
dogman sightings there so

2231
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,040
um and in fact i could this is kind of

2232
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:22,960
cool we had one

2233
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:25,520
one was um last february as a matter of

2234
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:26,560
fact

2235
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,840
and we had a whole night's worth of

2236
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:31,760
trail cam photos of um

2237
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,719
this coyote that was uh chowing down on

2238
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:36,560
the bones and sinew

2239
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:39,760
of the latest deer carcass that had been

2240
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,440
actually sitting there for over a month

2241
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:43,360
and then all of a sudden something

2242
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,880
while it was 20 below zero ate it

2243
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:49,920
like overnight and then coyotes came

2244
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:51,920
and we're finishing it off and this

2245
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:54,159
coyote kept looking up it kept

2246
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:55,920
a light anomaly would appear in the

2247
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,440
trees and it would look up

2248
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:59,040
and then go back to eating and then that

2249
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,640
would happen again and again these

2250
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:03,040
really strange lights and finally it was

2251
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,320
about a quarter

2252
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:06,320
excuse me about five minutes to three

2253
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:07,440
a.m

2254
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:10,000
and this really weird light anomaly came

2255
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:11,679
and the coyote looked up

2256
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,280
and then it took off and did not come

2257
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:15,120
back well we found out

2258
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:18,480
that a few minutes after that at 3 a.m

2259
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,800
a neighbor a farmer who happened to be

2260
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,400
sitting out working in one of his sheds

2261
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,760
on something

2262
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:25,199
at that time in the morning heard his

2263
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,280
animals go crazy he looked out

2264
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:29,440
and saw this coyote come just like

2265
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,600
running for its life now this is

2266
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:34,480
maybe a little over half a mile from the

2267
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,199
site where

2268
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,960
where the carcass was laid this coyote

2269
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,120
is just running crazed to the field

2270
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:42,480
being chased by an upright

2271
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,800
canine-like or wolf-like creature with

2272
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,159
long shaggy fur

2273
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:48,159
running on its hind legs and keeping up

2274
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,440
with this coyote

2275
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,360
so we think that's probably the coyote

2276
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:53,360
that we have the picture of

2277
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,560
yeah and this person had no idea

2278
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,719
no idea that the study was being

2279
01:19:01,430 --> 01:19:00,560
conducted nobody around there does it's

2280
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,440
it's uh

2281
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,360
like i said a very private area and the

2282
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,199
owner doesn't talk about it

2283
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,880
to anyone there aren't too many things

2284
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:08,480
that leave me without a comment lon

2285
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:11,360
no same with me that's that is very

2286
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:12,239
intriguing

2287
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:16,000
wow uh yeah i i don't know what to say

2288
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,040
about that uh geez i'm a loss of words

2289
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,280
yeah it's it it is it's mind-boggling

2290
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,280
you know and i reserve

2291
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,719
um having any sort of comment until we

2292
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:30,640
kind of finish this thing up i

2293
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:33,120
understand i understand completely

2294
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:34,960
but and i have to keep it very private

2295
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:37,040
because he doesn't want to be known

2296
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:40,480
uh you know the owner so um we just

2297
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,600
work work on it as it goes along and we

2298
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,840
we kind of you almost get blase to it

2299
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:47,120
after a while because

2300
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,719
oh another night of strange bouncing

2301
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,880
white lights and coyotes oh sure you

2302
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,320
know it's

2303
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,000
it's just but it's one thing after

2304
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,080
another and and many many different

2305
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:00,080
things after another

2306
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,679
you know in some mutilation cases that

2307
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,840
have occurred why and it's i mean i'm

2308
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:08,159
talking about worldwide but

2309
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,080
you know there there have been times

2310
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,719
when um

2311
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,560
it'd be a fresh carcass with you know

2312
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:16,239
the cut marks and such

2313
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:20,080
and that scavengers will not go near it

2314
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,840
for whatever reason uh

2315
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:25,360
have you experienced any of that with

2316
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:26,960
this yes

2317
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:29,600
yeah the latest deer that we've had out

2318
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:30,880
we'll notice there's a

2319
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:33,840
a bad odor and the carcasses can be very

2320
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,880
very rotten

2321
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:36,800
and getting rotten air and rotten and

2322
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:38,080
nothing

2323
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,760
weeks

2324
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,440
and then all of a sudden it's like

2325
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:45,760
something says go and eats it all

2326
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:49,679
and then the scavengers come in

2327
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:53,840
yeah to finish it off jeez

2328
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:56,800
so it's it's just really well i am i am

2329
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,639
going to keep an eye on this

2330
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,239
i am going to keep an eye on your blog

2331
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:01,679
on this one because uh

2332
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,719
and on social media because uh that

2333
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,880
that's unbelievable

2334
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,480
yeah and i've never experienced it you

2335
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,159
know i've never gotten report anything

2336
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,080
similar to that at all

2337
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:14,960
no i haven't either exactly you know so

2338
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:15,679
it's

2339
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,280
and i i don't think you know i i

2340
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:27,600
vacillate between something that is a

2341
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,080
really

2342
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:31,520
weird uh adapted natural

2343
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:34,320
animal except for there are these lights

2344
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:35,120
and things

2345
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:37,040
you know and it does almost seem like

2346
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,040
it's coming from somewhere else

2347
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:40,800
you know i hate to use the term portal

2348
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:43,920
or um other dimensional or otherworldly

2349
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,719
but

2350
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,320
um when you look at the pictures

2351
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:48,560
sometimes you know it's hard not to draw

2352
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:49,679
conclusions like that

2353
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,800
if it fits it does fit and you know

2354
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,239
it fits a lot with a lot of other

2355
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:56,639
cryptids as well like you know you can't

2356
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,679
explain where they

2357
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:59,760
how they show up all of a sudden or

2358
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:01,120
disappear all of a sudden

2359
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,719
and um it's that's

2360
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:07,040
that's great man i i hope there's a

2361
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:07,840
resolution

2362
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,719
somehow yeah i i do too and you know

2363
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:11,840
it's not at all

2364
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:13,600
like um you know there's another

2365
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:15,199
category of

2366
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:17,600
seemingly magical creatures that are

2367
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:18,560
created by

2368
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:21,520
people you know conjured or or whatever

2369
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,960
of different types

2370
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:24,880
yeah you know different cultures there

2371
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:26,960
are um you could find that sort of thing

2372
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,400
in almost every culture

2373
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:31,040
and it doesn't seem like that at all um

2374
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:31,520
it's

2375
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,360
somewhere else basically it from

2376
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:37,679
from what we see you know it doesn't

2377
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:38,480
look or

2378
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,760
appear anything like um traditional

2379
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:43,440
werewolves or

2380
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:46,639
um things created by uh you know shaman

2381
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:50,480
practice or anything like that right

2382
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,590
you know i you you had written an

2383
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,199
article for uh

2384
01:23:01,189 --> 01:23:00,239
the huffington post and i hadn't read it

2385
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,199
yet but

2386
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,120
but sean had mentioned something about

2387
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:05,120
it to me last year

2388
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:08,080
and when he asked me what seven cryptids

2389
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:08,639
do you

2390
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:14,159
linda had posted in this article i mean

2391
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,800
you know

2392
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,560
and the first thing i think oh dog match

2393
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:18,159
of bread and butter there

2394
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,280
but then he mentioned you know

2395
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:23,120
a certain critic that apparently you've

2396
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:24,800
got a great interest with

2397
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,080
is this flathead monster yeah

2398
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,639
and i was something that i think it's

2399
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:32,400
amazing because there have been

2400
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:33,920
something like

2401
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:37,199
way over 100 sightings documented

2402
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,239
by this former um

2403
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,639
lake and wildlife officer that spent

2404
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:44,159
most of his life patrolling this lake

2405
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:46,000
and keeping a very detailed record

2406
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,120
and i think that's astounding um

2407
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,000
yeah it's just an amazing thing and

2408
01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:54,000
there are two different

2409
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,080
types of creatures being seen in the

2410
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:58,159
lake one is obviously a really really

2411
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,679
large sturgeon

2412
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,360
which is if you have never seen a

2413
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:03,120
sturgeon they look sort of prehistoric

2414
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,600
they are

2415
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,840
prehistoric basically they're very very

2416
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:06,719
ancient

2417
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,600
uh have changed very little over um the

2418
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,199
the millennia

2419
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:13,360
and then the other one looks like your

2420
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,239
typical

2421
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:16,719
lake monster you know with the the neck

2422
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:17,440
and the

2423
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,719
the back bumps and um has been seen for

2424
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:22,480
a very very long time and by the way i

2425
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:24,159
did title that

2426
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,960
seven of the scariest so it doesn't mean

2427
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:28,719
they're the only scariest but

2428
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:31,760
but i i wanted to again to to not just

2429
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,639
have people associate um the book with

2430
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:36,639
the dog man but to realize it was really

2431
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:37,120
full of

2432
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:40,159
other types of things but but yeah

2433
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:43,280
that flathead lake um is just an amazing

2434
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,360
amazing example of of lake monsters

2435
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:49,120
yeah right i had a lot of fun with you

2436
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,560
again uh

2437
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,960
i i felt like an idiot i mean i was

2438
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,679
thinking

2439
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:55,199
what you didn't mention to the dog man

2440
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:58,719
well okay yeah i got it but

2441
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,280
uh but you know no really you know you

2442
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:02,880
think of all the lake monster

2443
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:05,199
sightings you know some of the

2444
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,320
well-known ones and

2445
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,920
well especially like champ here in the

2446
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,520
united states

2447
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,719
but the flathead monster or flathead

2448
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,159
lake monster

2449
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,320
uh you don't really hear much about that

2450
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,480
though i know i went back and looked

2451
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:21,360
and i had written about it in the past

2452
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,320
but

2453
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,600
i didn't realize for whatever reason

2454
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:27,280
there were that many sightings of this

2455
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,480
thing

2456
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,560
yeah i don't think many people have i i

2457
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:31,760
hadn't either until i

2458
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:34,639
started researching it and uh was

2459
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,920
actually able to

2460
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,679
you know contact the gentleman and talk

2461
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:39,199
to him about it and

2462
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,719
you know he was very kind and shared his

2463
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,040
sightings map with me that's in the book

2464
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:44,719
and if you look at that signings map he

2465
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:45,520
made it's just

2466
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,800
wow you know look at all these different

2467
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:50,000
places

2468
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:53,120
so you know i i was thinking you know

2469
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:55,280
something's got to be going on people

2470
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:56,400
have got to be

2471
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,040
seeing things because there just seems

2472
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:01,440
to be certain parts of

2473
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:05,760
this country where monsters show up

2474
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:08,800
and you're i'm talking about wisconsin

2475
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:12,000
pennsylvania texas uh

2476
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:14,480
new mexico it just seemed like florida

2477
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,520
it just seems that

2478
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,840
there are certain hot spots that people

2479
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:19,040
continually see

2480
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:22,880
these creatures and by people that

2481
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:25,760
had no idea that these type of creatures

2482
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,679
were seen before

2483
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,320
right exactly you know and it people try

2484
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,560
to explain these things away with

2485
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,560
um the first comment is usually well are

2486
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:36,000
you sure these people aren't all

2487
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,199
drunk you know and now

2488
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,800
think if you've ever i don't know if

2489
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:42,480
either of you gentlemen have ever been

2490
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:46,000
inebriated to any degree but after

2491
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,760
is the first thing that happens when you

2492
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,280
see after you toss

2493
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,679
down you know a six-pack that you see

2494
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:52,880
werewolves

2495
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:55,840
no i didn't no no normally unless my

2496
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,679
mother-in-law's around

2497
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,600
you know normally you get really tired

2498
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,760
or you get really crazy or you pass out

2499
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,679
but um you know if you're an advanced

2500
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,440
alcoholic and you have delirium tremens

2501
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,960
you might start seeing weird

2502
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:09,120
weird pink elephants or or something

2503
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,400
like that but

2504
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:12,400
having a few beers doesn't make you see

2505
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,840
werewolves are bigfoot

2506
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:15,600
you know it just it just doesn't it's

2507
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,880
not a

2508
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:19,520
hallucinator uh type of experience in

2509
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,719
most cases

2510
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,159
and people will say well mass

2511
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:24,239
hallucination um

2512
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:26,159
you know and that just doesn't apply

2513
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:27,440
where you've got

2514
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,120
four or five people driving along in a

2515
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,360
car talking or listening to music

2516
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:33,520
and all of a sudden this creature runs

2517
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,639
and they all see it

2518
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,080
when there's been nothing to suggest

2519
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,239
that that might happen you know it

2520
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,880
it does it just doesn't even fit the

2521
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:43,199
scientific descriptions of those kinds

2522
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,159
of phenomena

2523
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:46,639
and not everybody agrees that you know

2524
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:48,400
mass hallucinations can even happen

2525
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,120
really

2526
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:51,679
so um you're kind of explaining one iffy

2527
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:00,709
well yeah it

2528
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:03,600
it just makes it just fascinates me how

2529
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:04,159
many

2530
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:06,320
sightings that come out of well out of

2531
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:07,840
wisconsin in particular

2532
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,480
that's that just fascinates me anyway i

2533
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,320
mean i know you're there doing

2534
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,560
you know research i know jay and his

2535
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:16,320
group are there doing research

2536
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:19,679
but i get so many

2537
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:22,960
so many sightings from wisconsin

2538
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,159
it's it it's just strange and so i know

2539
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:28,480
something's going on there

2540
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:31,840
yeah it's it's a weird state you know

2541
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:34,880
yeah i mean it is weird because and i'm

2542
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:36,880
not just talking about dogman sightings

2543
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:37,600
or bigfoot

2544
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:41,040
i'm talking about everything everything

2545
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:41,600
and

2546
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,880
man bat lizard man giant birds

2547
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,280
giant snakes you know i had no trouble

2548
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,280
doing monsters of wisconsin you know and

2549
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:50,880
covering all the bases there

2550
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:54,000
but you know we do have um for those who

2551
01:28:58,270 --> 01:28:54,880
believe that

2552
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:58,280
some of these things might be induced by

2553
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:01,199
electromagnetic

2554
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,199
entities that can interact with human

2555
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,800
consciousness there's all sorts of

2556
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:10,480
theories that way

2557
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,560
our geology is very unusual you know

2558
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:14,480
we've got this 150 mile

2559
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,960
stretch of unusual rose quartz called

2560
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:18,000
the baraboo

2561
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:22,320
runs across the state we've got

2562
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:25,199
partially glaciated areas unglaciated

2563
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,400
areas

2564
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:28,080
that cause all different kinds of

2565
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,520
terrain you've got the

2566
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:32,400
um the mississippi river running up with

2567
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:34,239
giving us cliffs on the western side

2568
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,520
you've got

2569
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:37,360
two other sides of the state surrounded

2570
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:39,600
by lake michigan and lake superior so

2571
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:40,960
you've got the great lakes

2572
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,760
so it's a tremendously varied people

2573
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:45,280
think wisconsin is just

2574
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:47,360
flat farm fields and little barns

2575
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:48,560
nothing could be for

2576
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:49,600
you know further from the truth we've

2577
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:52,159
got the huge huge shomaga national

2578
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:54,000
forest in the northern parts

2579
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,320
um you drive around the state you go for

2580
01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:58,320
one hour and the terrain will completely

2581
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,390
you got a lake monster up there as well

2582
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:06,560
devil lake right

2583
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:09,920
um yeah devil's lake is um sort of known

2584
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:10,880
for monster

2585
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:13,360
more for phantoms and that sort of thing

2586
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:14,560
but wisconsin has

2587
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,520
tons and tons of lakes that are supposed

2588
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,679
to have monsters and one is that

2589
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:22,560
lake mills near aztalam the ancient

2590
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:23,760
mississippian

2591
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:26,400
uh pyramid structures that that we have

2592
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,440
which is the park

2593
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,760
and rock lake rock lake right nearby is

2594
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:30,880
very well known

2595
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:32,960
for having a lake monster and all these

2596
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,159
strange

2597
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:36,159
uh teepee sto they're called the stone

2598
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:38,320
teepees or stone pyramids that have been

2599
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:39,760
seen in the bottom of the lake

2600
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:42,000
that no one can figure out if they're

2601
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:43,600
really there if they're natural if

2602
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,320
they're

2603
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:46,560
unnatural you know or what they are

2604
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:47,679
exactly

2605
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,040
you know just just weirdness lake geneva

2606
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:53,360
or geneva lake technically off of the

2607
01:30:57,430 --> 01:30:54,880
city of lake geneva

2608
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:57,440
is i think the second deepest lake in

2609
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:58,320
the state

2610
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:01,120
and it had busloads of people coming up

2611
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:02,000
from chicago

2612
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:04,800
around the 1900s around the turn of that

2613
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:05,679
century

2614
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:08,960
to see jenny the lake monster and there

2615
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,800
were ordained ministers that were seeing

2616
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:12,000
it it was chasing

2617
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:15,120
boats of people back to shore multitudes

2618
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:16,000
of sightings

2619
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:20,000
of of this creature in in geneva lake

2620
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:23,600
you know i was um i had actually had

2621
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:27,280
uh a large bird sighting up there in

2622
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,320
uh geneva lake as well

2623
01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:32,239
yeah yeah i meant to dig that out for

2624
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,920
you i

2625
01:31:37,270 --> 01:31:35,520
don't know where i got it but i'd dig it

2626
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,280
out for you you know there's one thing

2627
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:38,880
you covered in your book that i i

2628
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:40,719
thought was interesting because i

2629
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,719
i had written about it one time as well

2630
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:44,400
was porcine people

2631
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,000
were big people

2632
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:50,400
pig people yeah just like kramer on

2633
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:51,280
seinfeld you know

2634
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:54,960
right so the pig man uh

2635
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,040
you know i i did write an article about

2636
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,800
that one time it was kind of in a way

2637
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:00,800
kind of tongue-in-cheek but i

2638
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,400
there have been people that have been

2639
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:04,320
described as big people

2640
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:09,910
so you know i i read what you had in the

2641
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:10,960
book but

2642
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:14,400
i'd like for you to kind of

2643
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:16,000
tell us a little bit more about that or

2644
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:18,480
what you found out

2645
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:22,080
well the examples in wisconsin honestly

2646
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:23,040
all seem to

2647
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:24,800
sort of spring from either urban legend

2648
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:28,080
or folklore now there may there may be

2649
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:30,800
human beings that have sort of pig-like

2650
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,440
features

2651
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:34,080
elsewhere um you know maybe there are

2652
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:35,920
mutations i can i can imagine

2653
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:39,120
something like that happening but there

2654
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:40,000
are three three

2655
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:41,760
main traditions in wisconsin one is the

2656
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:43,600
western part of the state which is

2657
01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:44,480
called the

2658
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:47,440
the sprague thumper jumper and it was

2659
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:48,719
supposed to be

2660
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:52,560
a um pigheaded man that sort of

2661
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:55,120
uh stuck around the backwoods and helped

2662
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:57,600
out lonely ladies with different things

2663
01:33:01,189 --> 01:33:00,239
that's all i'm going to say about that

2664
01:33:05,189 --> 01:33:01,199
the other one

2665
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,199
there's another one in marshfield where

2666
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:07,520
i went there to examine something else

2667
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:08,239
and people were

2668
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:09,440
everywhere i went people were saying oh

2669
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:11,840
yeah we have peak people in marshfield

2670
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:12,400
yeah

2671
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,239
they you know they shop down at the

2672
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:16,239
salvation army when they come into

2673
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,719
into town and and i'm like yeah right

2674
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:20,159
well either a lot of these people

2675
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:22,080
believed in it or they all had this

2676
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:25,280
this um kind of ongoing joke to tell on

2677
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:26,080
weary

2678
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,159
uh visitors that there were pig people

2679
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:30,320
there but it all sprang from these

2680
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:32,000
little black marks that were in front of

2681
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:32,639
the

2682
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:36,239
that did sort of look like um

2683
01:33:40,870 --> 01:33:39,199
pig hoof prints in in black paint as if

2684
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:40,880
they'd walked in and tracked through i

2685
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:42,320
don't know what they were from but

2686
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:44,080
that was supposed to be the proof for it

2687
01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:45,520
the other was in door county that

2688
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:47,120
relates to an old

2689
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,239
um legend from i think

2690
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,440
brussels where a man was supposed to be

2691
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:55,120
inheriting money from his uncle and he

2692
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:56,800
didn't get it so he cursed the local

2693
01:34:00,229 --> 01:33:57,679
priest

2694
01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:00,239
and the curse bounced back on him and

2695
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:00,880
then

2696
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,280
pigs with the heads of men began

2697
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:05,280
following him around his community

2698
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:07,920
until he built a little chapel to sort

2699
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:09,360
of atone for his

2700
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:12,000
sin so i think and i think around the

2701
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:12,960
country

2702
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:16,000
you'll find sort of similar origins to a

2703
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,199
lot of these

2704
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:20,000
tales of people who are pig people deer

2705
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:21,040
men

2706
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:27,990
yeah when i when i have seen references

2707
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:28,880
to

2708
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:31,199
people that are big people or such it's

2709
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:32,880
usually part of a legend

2710
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:36,000
but now a lot of that and you said that

2711
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:37,840
you've got a story out of brussels it

2712
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:39,679
does seem most of those stories do come

2713
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:41,040
out of the whole world

2714
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,480
and uh yeah and uh but

2715
01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:46,320
i i just thought it was interesting that

2716
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:47,920
you had put it in there

2717
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:51,280
um well you know it's legends

2718
01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:54,239
legends and lore is in the title so yeah

2719
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:55,040
and i felt

2720
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,880
and people keep bringing those up frog

2721
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:58,560
people i mean there's a new type of

2722
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:00,000
animal people every day and

2723
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:02,880
and people bring them up and and i just

2724
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,760
thought well

2725
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:05,199
it's interesting people want to know

2726
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,199
where those ideas come from

2727
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:09,840
right um hey i'm enthralled by bat

2728
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:10,480
squatch

2729
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,760
okay that one kind of came out of

2730
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:13,520
nowhere for me isn't that the greatest

2731
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:14,480
name

2732
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:17,360
bad squash it is yeah at bat squatch of

2733
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:18,639
tacoma and it was sort of

2734
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,280
coined by a a teenager who had this

2735
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,520
experience and it was

2736
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:25,280
big news in the newspaper and i was

2737
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:27,280
actually able to contact

2738
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:30,800
the reporter who broke that story and

2739
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:31,600
wrote about it

2740
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:34,639
and he said he really believed that

2741
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:37,119
the young man who who coined that turn

2742
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,840
term

2743
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,840
of this and he was talking about you

2744
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:41,520
know a bat-winged

2745
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:45,360
sort of furry human eye oid that flied

2746
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,639
excuse me it's getting toward the end of

2747
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:48,400
the arena until that flew

2748
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:51,679
it was that way for a humanoid that flew

2749
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:54,719
through the air and he coined that term

2750
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:57,119
bat squatch and the newspaper reporter

2751
01:36:01,830 --> 01:35:59,600
thought that he was genuine and sincere

2752
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:01,840
and oddly enough i mean it's been seen

2753
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,440
over downtown chicago

2754
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:05,679
it's been seen in pennsylvania and ohio

2755
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:06,560
and

2756
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:11,040
very same creature even in lacrosse

2757
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,679
wisconsin

2758
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:13,679
well we have our good friend j.c johnson

2759
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:15,920
who was uh chasing a flying hairy

2760
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:16,719
hominid

2761
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:19,040
not too long ago there you go yeah in

2762
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:20,239
the four corners area

2763
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:22,000
yep yeah while they fly they can

2764
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:23,360
evidently get around

2765
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:26,239
blind harry hominids they remind me of

2766
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:27,280
the flying monkeys

2767
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:30,239
in uh the wizard of oz movie you know

2768
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:30,560
that

2769
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:33,040
gave so many children nightmares yeah

2770
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:39,590
they're creepy man some crazy cryptids

2771
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,320
out there lon

2772
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,800
linda and we don't have nearly we're

2773
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:44,159
nearly close to answers

2774
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,840
well you know i i'm i'm kind of uh

2775
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:49,679
well i'm not kind of but i am thrilled

2776
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,400
that that linda mentioned uh

2777
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:54,400
something about the flying rays in the

2778
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:55,920
book as well which is something i've

2779
01:37:02,310 --> 01:36:57,679
been

2780
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,320
reports about these flying rays or

2781
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:04,560
these they call them different things

2782
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,080
down there in west virginia

2783
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:08,480
like white flyers or something like that

2784
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:11,920
but you know they come in all sizes

2785
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:15,679
they all invariably look like manta rays

2786
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,840
but uh you know some of them are

2787
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:20,639
translucent some of them are

2788
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:23,840
grayish in color they they never seem to

2789
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:24,639
flap their

2790
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:26,800
wings that much even though people have

2791
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:28,719
seen it it's almost like they're

2792
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:33,440
um they could be like a bio type of uh

2793
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:37,040
ufo or bio type i don't know

2794
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:40,480
some type of flying machine or something

2795
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:42,000
and some are big and some are little

2796
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,600
yeah you're you know i think

2797
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,440
i mentioned in my book the phantom and

2798
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:47,199
monsters blog is

2799
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:48,960
pretty much matt flying manta ray

2800
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,239
central yeah

2801
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:52,880
yeah it just seemed that way uh it you

2802
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:55,280
know i've been lucky enough to get these

2803
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:58,560
in these reports and uh

2804
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,760
now it just seems that these sightings

2805
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:03,760
are spreading out

2806
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,560
away from the east coast and more toward

2807
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:08,320
well i've gotten two in texas

2808
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,760
and i had one in california uh but

2809
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:13,600
for the longest time i was getting them

2810
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:17,600
in uh in the ohio valley especially

2811
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,000
uh what is it about that ohio valley i

2812
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,000
mean that ohio valley

2813
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:23,920
has some of the weirdest sightings of

2814
01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:26,719
all types of not only this the mothman

2815
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:29,840
and you know there have been there have

2816
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,560
been cryptic canine sightings as well

2817
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:35,360
uh but it just this thing has been seen

2818
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:35,760
there

2819
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:39,119
this flying mana manta ray and ufo

2820
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:40,880
activity as well

2821
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,920
um i don't know what these things are i

2822
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:45,199
really don't

2823
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:49,280
um i think the most interesting one that

2824
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,400
i was told to me was the one up in

2825
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:54,000
long island where the woman saw it

2826
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:55,679
flying above her at night

2827
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,719
and she could see the stars through it

2828
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,960
yeah that makes you stop and go whoa

2829
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:01,920
okay

2830
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:04,320
yeah you know it's yeah there's there's

2831
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,960
something

2832
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,320
pretty odd through that then it's

2833
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:08,639
starting to sound like a ufo because

2834
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,920
i've had people

2835
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:11,040
i mean that's another thing people

2836
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:13,360
report to me is ufos and i've had people

2837
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:14,960
say that they saw

2838
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:17,199
um one of these flying triangles or a

2839
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:18,239
mothership even

2840
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:21,520
and that it was partly transparent and

2841
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:25,280
one person um actually a relative of

2842
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,159
mine

2843
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:28,639
saw it saw one of these over madison and

2844
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,840
she said just as she looked up at it

2845
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,440
it was almost like it knew she was

2846
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,520
observing it and began to go

2847
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,520
transparent until all of a sudden you

2848
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:39,360
could only see the night sky

2849
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:45,750
it's almost like a camouflage uh exactly

2850
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,560
yeah and that's

2851
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:48,320
that's what that's what it reminds me of

2852
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:49,840
with with the flying mantis that was

2853
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:51,840
over madison wisconsin

2854
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:54,639
actually but it interests the thing

2855
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:56,000
that's strange about it is

2856
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:59,119
it's uh all of them have been seen at

2857
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:00,719
during the daytime except for that one

2858
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:02,719
in long island and they're

2859
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:05,600
always near water though they don't seem

2860
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:06,320
to be

2861
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,840
you know an aquatic species of any type

2862
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,760
no and the real man to raise i shouldn't

2863
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:14,159
say real but the the known

2864
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,360
um species of of manta rays can skip

2865
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:19,840
maybe a maximum of of three feet over

2866
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,719
the surface

2867
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,800
but they can't just go airborne and zip

2868
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:24,719
around like kites you know

2869
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:27,840
yeah yeah it's an enigma it really is uh

2870
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,960
it's i i don't know i was lucky enough

2871
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,800
to you know lucky enough to get

2872
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:35,040
the initial sighting and you know i had

2873
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,480
another one from

2874
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,560
someone who had written a book about or

2875
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,320
written an article about it then

2876
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:42,880
it just went from there but yeah it is

2877
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:46,080
it is a strange phenomena it really is

2878
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,199
um ufos

2879
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:52,000
now i had mentioned you the last time i

2880
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:52,639
talked to you

2881
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:56,000
on bte about ufo sightings i had gotten

2882
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:57,840
to the kettle marine but you know

2883
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:00,639
the catamaran you have had some

2884
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:03,199
experiences there yourself haven't you

2885
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:07,440
i have yeah i i live pretty close to it

2886
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,600
and the kettle moraine the the kettle

2887
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:11,360
formations which i should mention

2888
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:15,119
are very deep steep sided scooped out

2889
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,880
depressions left by where the last

2890
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,480
glaciers stopped

2891
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,719
at with ridges in between and and so it

2892
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:22,800
the the kettle refers to these deep

2893
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:24,639
depressions and the moraine refers to

2894
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:25,600
these ridges

2895
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:28,400
that run alongside and the formations

2896
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:29,199
extend

2897
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:32,719
outside the actual park borders and so i

2898
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,119
live

2899
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:35,840
in an area um kind of surrounded by

2900
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:36,880
these moraine

2901
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,719
formations because i'm about five miles

2902
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,719
south of of the kettle moraine state

2903
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:41,840
park

2904
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:44,480
so i yeah i i hike and walk around them

2905
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:45,440
quite frequently

2906
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:48,159
yeah you had uh you've had some strange

2907
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,679
encounters as well

2908
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:52,400
some streams i don't know much sightings

2909
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:53,119
as it was

2910
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,800
things you heard or things moving around

2911
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:58,719
well if you're talking about what i

2912
01:42:02,070 --> 01:42:00,320
think was the bigfoot

2913
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:02,080
all right encounter yeah i might have

2914
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:04,000
been able to put that off to something

2915
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:04,400
else

2916
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:07,520
except um i went back in half an hour

2917
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:09,679
with my friend and her daughter who was

2918
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:11,199
a total non-believer and

2919
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,239
just kind of along for an extra body

2920
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:17,280
and she did see it so we had the

2921
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:20,560
the total of phenomena was uh first

2922
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:24,560
um response to wood knockings and then

2923
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:27,360
something tearing a living seven to

2924
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:29,040
eight inch diameter

2925
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:32,239
35 foot long living oak branch off of an

2926
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:32,960
oak tree

2927
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,840
right in front of my eyes in two in two

2928
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,600
motions and the first motion

2929
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,239
was horizontal so that it turned it

2930
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,000
twisted the branch so that it was

2931
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:44,000
pointing straight at me because it was

2932
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:45,679
going on one of these kettles and i was

2933
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,679
standing on the ridge right next to it

2934
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,199
maybe a few couple hundred feet away

2935
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:51,040
only and

2936
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:53,840
it was at my eye level and then once

2937
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:54,719
that had happened

2938
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:57,520
then whatever it was tore it like with

2939
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,159
this giant cracking sound of

2940
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:02,480
wood tore it and dropped it about 40

2941
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,360
feet to the bottom of the kettle below

2942
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:08,239
and that's when i left the first time

2943
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:08,800
and then

2944
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:11,920
came back with these two people

2945
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:14,320
and uh who are both willing to go to

2946
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:16,080
talk to anybody about it by the way my

2947
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:17,040
friend sandra

2948
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,239
and her daughter natalie and we

2949
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:23,199
smelled this horrendous horrendous

2950
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:24,159
skunk-like

2951
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:26,960
but not skunk musky odor that clung to

2952
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:28,000
everything

2953
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:31,440
we found two mitten sort of roughly

2954
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,239
mitten shaped

2955
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,280
nine-inch fresh bark rubs

2956
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,360
on opposite sides of the branch where

2957
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,360
whatever it was would have had to have

2958
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,159
gripped it really hard in order to

2959
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,760
wrench something like that away from a

2960
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:45,280
tree if you can only imagine

2961
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,400
the strength that that took and

2962
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:50,239
you can see exactly where the handprints

2963
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:51,600
are and i've got one of the pieces of

2964
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,000
bark

2965
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,920
still that you know that i saved from it

2966
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:55,600
and i was down there with uh

2967
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:58,159
someone who uh was over six feet later

2968
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,440
and he tried

2969
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,760
bending over and he could position his

2970
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,440
arm so that proportionately

2971
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:06,239
um you know if he'd been about maybe two

2972
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,119
feet taller

2973
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,199
and his arms were about a foot or two

2974
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,800
longer he might have been able to

2975
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:13,520
put them in the same spot but it was

2976
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,560
made by something

2977
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:17,199
you know very very large and then she

2978
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,840
saw it

2979
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:20,080
and then it growled at us from its

2980
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:21,600
hiding place it had gone behind some

2981
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:23,040
shrubbery

2982
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:25,520
so we had kind of the whole panorama and

2983
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:27,360
in my mind there's just nothing else

2984
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:30,480
that it could have been i am i am a

2985
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:31,600
total loss to

2986
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:34,960
explain it otherwise

2987
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:37,280
you know i am i had written something

2988
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,400
recently

2989
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,800
and we i well myself and some of the

2990
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,800
colleagues people i've been working with

2991
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:45,199
we've been having a lot of references to

2992
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:46,960
owls lately now

2993
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,000
i wanted to ask you about this now

2994
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,560
of course there have been lots of

2995
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:54,320
different type of cryptid aisle

2996
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:56,080
sightings or something is similar to

2997
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:57,119
that

2998
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:01,520
but do you have any other than maybe

2999
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:05,119
you know uh native american legend

3000
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:08,239
do you know of any odd sightings of

3001
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:12,320
owls in the united states or in america

3002
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,960
um i'm trying to think if i have i have

3003
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:16,320
that in the book half the time i can't

3004
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:17,760
remember if i've got that in the book or

3005
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:19,679
not i know i do go into the

3006
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:22,880
the native american lore and legend

3007
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:26,480
but there were people that um described

3008
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,560
mothman you know in west virginia as

3009
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:30,320
somewhat owl-like

3010
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:32,159
and a lot of those descriptions were

3011
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:33,760
sort of all over the map that's

3012
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,600
probably the you know the the closest

3013
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,800
that i can

3014
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:40,560
think of right off the top of my head

3015
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:42,080
i'm sure there are some

3016
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:45,440
but um you know it it doesn't occur to

3017
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:45,760
me

3018
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:49,679
but that wasn't in the united states

3019
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:50,960
that was in great britain

3020
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:55,280
you know i included that just to um

3021
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:58,800
um you know give sort of a comparison

3022
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:01,280
but right right now i'm coming up blank

3023
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:02,080
at the moment

3024
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:03,600
yeah this wasn't a gotcha question i

3025
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:05,119
just want to get your opinion

3026
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:06,880
because it's something that's actually

3027
01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:09,040
happening to me i mean i am getting

3028
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:10,840
these references

3029
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:14,159
to owls it's just constantly it's been

3030
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:16,960
going on for a couple of months now

3031
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,320
yeah we've been working uh butch

3032
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:22,159
wickowski and i have been working this

3033
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:24,840
case this todd c's case up in

3034
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:26,400
pennsylvania

3035
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:29,760
and uh for whatever reason we're

3036
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:33,679
getting these references to owls

3037
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,440
even some of the people that are

3038
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:38,000
psychically or psychics that are working

3039
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:39,280
with us are coming up with owl

3040
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:40,639
references

3041
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:43,040
and we're seeing pictures of owls we're

3042
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:43,679
seeing

3043
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:50,870
it is kind of weird because if you go

3044
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:53,440
into the national zeitgeist right now

3045
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:57,360
owls are huge in terms of um home decor

3046
01:47:01,510 --> 01:46:59,040
you know there are candle owls there are

3047
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:01,520
garden gardening um

3048
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:04,320
uh garden garden placement owls there

3049
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:05,280
are

3050
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,880
christmas tree ornaments in the shapes

3051
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:08,560
of owls i'm

3052
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:10,639
kind of surprised you maybe there is

3053
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,639
sort of a thing with with the owls right

3054
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:13,920
now i'm not sure what that would be i

3055
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:15,520
don't know you know i don't know if it's

3056
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:16,560
something

3057
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:18,480
well you know i i'm trying to figure

3058
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:19,679
this out you know

3059
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:23,040
i'm even going as far as talking to

3060
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:25,440
shamans and such about this because

3061
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:28,719
it's it's got me somewhat perplexed

3062
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,360
why i am having these references and i

3063
01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:33,360
that's why i wanted to ask you because i

3064
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:33,760
had

3065
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:36,880
really never heard of any cryptids

3066
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:38,639
that were as other than you know you

3067
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:40,000
talked about mothman

3068
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:41,360
and it does a lot of the mothman

3069
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,119
descriptions do look like or

3070
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:45,920
sound like owls right and that was it

3071
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,280
mark hall that thought

3072
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:49,440
perhaps they were something called big

3073
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:51,280
hoot

3074
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:52,800
yeah i think he was the one that

3075
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:54,960
connected them with with that

3076
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:58,400
um but other than that i haven't had

3077
01:48:02,470 --> 01:47:59,119
anybody say

3078
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,480
yeah i saw all people or um

3079
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:04,400
it really didn't show up in many of the

3080
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,719
big bird sightings that i could find

3081
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,400
they were all described more as either

3082
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:10,880
raptors or stork and crane like or

3083
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,000
the pterosaurs but um i

3084
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,560
haven't i don't remember anybody writing

3085
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:18,480
and saying i saw these giant old people

3086
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:19,360
looking at me

3087
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,719
you know that's kind of unless you're

3088
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:22,480
talking about the the mothman sort of

3089
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:23,119
thing

3090
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,400
yeah okay well i'm i'm i'm glad you

3091
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,480
answered that for me i mean i

3092
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:30,159
because i hadn't heard of but i thought

3093
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:31,600
maybe you did

3094
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:33,520
just wait somebody will write one of us

3095
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,840
and say i saw all people last night

3096
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:37,199
i'll get a whole bunch of them just

3097
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,480
watch yeah and there we go

3098
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:42,159
we've really run the gambit tonight guys

3099
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:43,840
we've talked about uh

3100
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,920
the the birds the giant birds

3101
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,520
thunderbirds we've talked about

3102
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:49,520
pork people and we've talked about owl

3103
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,520
people we've talked about bat squatch

3104
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:53,440
flying harry hominids we've got a lot to

3105
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,520
chew on for these listeners this week

3106
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:57,040
and it's been it's been a blast i've

3107
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:59,119
i've enjoyed myself tremendously me too

3108
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,000
well you're always welcome

3109
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,119
to come back linda uh you know you know

3110
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:05,600
everything you write so many books but i

3111
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:06,239
tell you

3112
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:07,679
they fascinate me because you always

3113
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:08,880
come up with something a little bit

3114
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:09,920
different in them

3115
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:14,239
and you know hopefully we're gonna have

3116
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:18,000
something on this uh this investigation

3117
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:20,320
you're doing now down the road

3118
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,560
well we'll see it it's um i'm kind of

3119
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:24,480
waiting to see if anything does resolve

3120
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:25,840
or if it's another one of these things

3121
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,840
that just keeps going and going and

3122
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:29,280
drives you crazy

3123
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:31,840
finally and and never has uh any sort of

3124
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:33,040
ending to it you know

3125
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,599
whatever it is is extremely adept at not

3126
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:37,119
showing itself

3127
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:39,119
i we appreciate you coming home with us

3128
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,800
we really do oh thank you

3129
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,320
thanks so much for having me i really

3130
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:44,239
appreciate any time it's it was

3131
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:45,760
a great time folks you can get more

3132
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,679
information on linda at linda

3133
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:49,199
godfrey.com

3134
01:49:54,030 --> 01:49:50,880
and if you have any questions you can